There's too much strawmanning people who criticize the game

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Does he though? There's a serious sense of resonation with his points among other users. They may not be bait threads and actual concise criticism of the game at large.

I mean yes they are. But sometimes what they've posted isn't really off the mark & are actually worthy of discussion.

[WaxSw]

He's a known troll...all he does is post bait threads.

How does that invalidate any of the points OP made tho?
Even if he's a known troll the arguments he made here are not simply for the sake of trolling, they are legitimate complaints. There are people who does variety of things and think the content is lacking, people thinking content is lacking doesn't mean they want mindless tedious grinds, there are people who while not wanting HW levels of clunkyness want more than what Shb and EW gave, complaining about the dumbing down of gameplay does not mean someone is an elitist...

[Jybril]

Is Skiros the forum troll or something? I actually agree with the dude on a bit of what he says.
I know it's hard for many Forum-goers, but having different opinions doesn't mean one is a troll.

[kaynide]

Is Skiros the forum troll or something? I actually agree with the dude on a bit of what he says.
I know it's hard for many Forum-goers, but having different opinions doesn't mean one is a troll.

For as long as I've seen em on the forum, no, he isn't a troll.

A bit abrasive to some, maybe, but not a troll.

[Kaurhz]

Is Skiros the forum troll or something? I actually agree with the dude on a bit of what he says.
I know it's hard for many Forum-goers, but having different opinions doesn't mean one is a troll.

On Skiros, he is generally more polarising, yet valid with some of the points made. However, he has practically openly admitted he has other forum accounts for posting of a less serious / more troll-like nature, and whilst that in itself isn't an issue, it comes with the stigma of being known as a troll, regardless of validity or lack thereof. He's just reaping what he's sown himself, really. But then he knows that already.

Having a difference of opinion is just that, a difference of opinion. Some people can't handle criticisms thrown at the game, and similarly, people can't handle people disagreeing with their criticisms without throwing a tantrum about it.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

The reason is easy this people like this game to be as much of Sims online as it can. They don't want to play just look good and chat.and then ther the calt of yoshi.

[Darthgummibear]

How does that invalidate any of the points OP made tho?
Even if he's a known troll the arguments he made here are not simply for the sake of trolling, they are legitimate complaints. There are people who does variety of things and think the content is lacking, people thinking content is lacking doesn't mean they want mindless tedious grinds, there are people who while not wanting HW levels of clunkyness want more than what Shb and EW gave, complaining about the dumbing down of gameplay does not mean someone is an elitist...

In his case that's exactly why he made the arguments in the first place. The fact that you happen to agree with said arguments doesn't factor in at all. He posts for no other reason than to get people riled up.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Gameplay was at its most polished. Roles still had decent identity. Aggro management was still a real thing. Healers had more than 2 buttons. Story was better. Tanking and healing weren't braindead. Content variety. But go off I suppose.

All correct but the story is SB was as bad as in EW.

[Ritsuka-55]

Not Unsynched. War can solo P1N.

Also what are you even talking about with your last point? The only way you'd experience the way a class feels is during combat? If you REALLY think the way we are FORCED to approve fights hasn't been dumbed down and made much easier you either don't raid or just do fates. There's no way someone can be this ignorant.

what complexity? do you really believe in stormblood there was any complexity? there was no complexity or naunce in the stormblood aggro system, same as now, lmfao. did you have difficulties or something? because i didn't, same as now. The only difference between now and then is the removal of one system, that simply didn't make any difference, tanks are still blue dps and always been. tanks in this game never really tanked.

but that's a fundamental design problem, it will ever be solved? doesn't seem like it, tanks will still be blue dps, healers will be green dps, and dps will still be red dps, it has been that way since the start of the game. a few more buttons to press or whatever you think fits your fancy won't solve a problem that has been there since the beginning.

[Silver-Strider]

Again, there wasn't anything complex about it. At the end of the day what you need is damage, the problem already starts from basic core design.

gameplay would need an entire overhaul, and I don't think that's the devs priority.

As a MMK player that regularly took Aggro despite Diversion being on CD, I respectfully disagree.