New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[SacraAnima]

What more is there to "address" at the moment?

Am I missing something? He addressed yall by saying "here are the choices/ reasons and drawbacks, give us feed back so we can make a decision". Has there been a consensus reached in the past couple weeks other than "I don't like the thing"? I've seen a number of Hrothgar just use the fox ears, perhaps the JPN suggestion of making more ear headgear is popular? Yall want the shared hair BUT with trashy clipping like the mods? Yall want to roll the dice on maybe getting 1 hairstyle an expac by going the unique hair path?

I see a lot of talk about communication and crackpot theories about things in recent pages and not much else.

If you're really curious you can hop back in the pages to when Zhexos first posted here, a good amount of us voiced our opinions and offered our feedback. I think now it would be appropriate for the devs to at least acknowledge and echo back some of our points of feedback so that they can start to build back some trust regard the issue of how they're handling Hrothgar.

Remember that it had been three years of very little information about the hairstyles, during those three years there was no communication with the players about what paths they were taking to make Hrothgar hairstyles work, if they had asked for our feedback when it was decided that removing their ears was the only solution other than just letting them clip then the community surely would have told them that isn't what anyone wants.

I'll also say that when new Hrothgar hair was announced it was described as "racially specific" so imagine our surprise and disappointment when the new hairstyles were revealed to be the same six that Viera were given (curated to fit Viera aesthetics) and have our ears removed from our heads. I understand that you might not want to read through so many pages in a thread, but I think it's important to at least have empathy when talking with a community that just got pooped on

[Chikatsu]

What more is there to "address" at the moment?

Am I missing something? He addressed yall by saying "here are the choices/ reasons and drawbacks, give us feed back so we can make a decision". Has there been a consensus reached in the past couple weeks other than "I don't like the thing"? I've seen a number of Hrothgar just use the fox ears, perhaps the JPN suggestion of making more ear headgear is popular? Yall want the shared hair BUT with trashy clipping like the mods? Yall want to roll the dice on maybe getting 1 hairstyle an expac by going the unique hair path?

I see a lot of talk about communication and crackpot theories about things in recent pages and not much else.

when can we expect to see the community be addressed in an official capacity regarding these hairstyles? this is not something that will just go away on its own and the community deserves better communication regarding how this is being handled, if at all.

that's what needs addressed. what is the solution moving forward beyond "geez guys, this is really hard, why don't you just be happy with the scraps"?

[reivaxe]

If you're really curious you can hop back in the pages to when Zhexos first posted here, a good amount of us voiced our opinions and offered our feedback. I think now it would be appropriate for the devs to at least acknowledge and echo back some of our points of feedback so that they can start to build back some trust regard the issue of how they're handling Hrothgar.

Remember that it had been three years of very little information about the hairstyles, during those three years there was no communication with the players about what paths they were taking to make Hrothgar hairstyles work, if they had asked for our feedback when it was decided that removing their ears was the only solution other than just letting them clip then the community surely would have told them that isn't what anyone wants.

I'll also say that when new Hrothgar hair was announced it was described as "racially specific" so imagine our surprise and disappointment when the new hairstyles were revealed to be the same six that Viera were given (curated to fit Viera aesthetics) and have our ears removed from our heads. I understand that you might not want to read through so many pages in a thread, but I think it's important to at least have empathy when talking with a community that just got pooped on

Welp, first off, they didn't tailor pick the hairstyles for Viera. They're going "5.X + oldest" pretty much and working their way through expansions of hair. Prob cause that makes the most sense. You can predict which are next by looking at which show up next on the hair-number-line. Viera are just ... human faced. Shockingly, they will look better in any human hair than Hrothgar who have to have hair that's not even attached to their forehead to get around the differences in their 4 cat faces.

I also think "Just let it clip" may be a nonstarter for YP. It's easy to say that, until you see how crap it makes the race look in game. IDK if that's an option he would even consider, they don't even want Viera ears clipping too much which is why they seemingly poke holes where the ears meet the hair. Could be some processing foolery behind that. Hrothgar got 4 completely different ear shapes and sizes, they don't come from a uniform origin like every other race.

Also, what if they're plans for "racially specific" hair was "1 new hairstyle an expac"? They NEVER said how many they were willing to make or if they would be locked to new faces/heads or what (they never intended to give yall the power to change hairstyles back then, remember?). They rarely make new hair for the whole other 98% of the playerbase, thinking that they may have intended on giving Hrothgar just 1 an expac when they can only bother to release somewhere between 6-8 for everyone else an expac isn't too extreme a guess. Many Hrothgar wanted a selection of hair/ non-potion hair swapping and shared hair annnnd had 2-3 years to bend their ear about it ... so that's what they got.

And I wanted to know the run down on what people settled on because it should be easy to tell if people are NOW demanding some form of feedback from the devs. He set the terms for ya, you either get them the way they are doing it now or you get "racially specific" hair that's far fewer in numbers and far less frequently, or you make some suggestions that might help I guess (JPN with the "Make more ear headgear" seems like a good start. There's also the fact that they can look at what people actually do in game, most times I see Hroths with the shared hair it's with the Fox or Wolf ears, so they may think its cool to make more suitable ears gear and stay the course).

when can we expect to see the community be addressed in an official capacity regarding these hairstyles? this is not something that will just go away on its own and the community deserves better communication regarding how this is being handled, if at all.

that's what needs addressed. what is the solution moving forward beyond "geez guys, this is really hard, why don't you just be happy with the scraps"?

They DID address you, they told you to voice your option and give feedback. They are asking you to tell THEM what you want, well knowing that there's gonna be drawbacks to w/e you pick. If you think there's been enough discussion, then what have people landed on other than "Not happy"?

[Akimori]

I also think "Just let it clip" may be a nonstarter for YP. It's easy to say that, until you see how crap it makes the race look in game. IDK if that's an option he would even consider, they don't even want Viera ears clipping too much which is why they seemingly poke holes where the ears meet the hair. Could be some processing foolery behind that. Hrothgar got 4 completely different ear shapes and sizes, they don't come from a uniform origin like every other race.

This is where the issue lies. He said we'd get them in the beginning. Obviously, something changed his mind between the day that LL went life in 2019 and the LL on 4/1/22. However, he never mentioned about changing his mind in any capacity and we were constantly told to just wait. Also, NO where did he mention that "hrothgar would have to pay to change their hairstyles" That should have been a pretty big warning to give players who were thinking of changing to this race. So in essence, they felt blindsided and lied to. Id rather get 1 racially specific fair / expac rather than the table scraps they decided to throw our way


I mean, its not like the hairstyles we got at 6.1 could have been done any better? Like the battle ready bobs is just...an outright mistake. The lack of their ears makes it worse which told people "these werent worked on as much as you're telling us it was..."

Then there is the community person coming in here, regurgitating info that we had already received and has made no indication that this was all being forwarded to the proper parties. All in all: A severe lack of communication is really driving the anger that a lot of people are feeling

[Chikatsu]

Suggestions were posted here in both this thread immediately following the community reps repetition of what we had already heard as well as here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...est-MEGATHREAD

There hasn’t been so much as a “OK cool, we’ve gathered your suggestions both of potential hairstyles as well as request to vote. We will pass that along!”

[Midareyukki]

They DID address you, they told you to voice your option and give feedback. They are asking you to tell THEM what you want, well knowing that there's gonna be drawbacks to w/e you pick. If you think there's been enough discussion, then what have people landed on other than "Not happy"?

And we did. But there's been silence since, and we even explained to them what their issues are. It's not just whining, or is that all you yourself focus on?

We pointed out the issues with their polygons, that their solution to the aesthetician was just "duplicate faces". And for 3 years we've been telling them "Hey, we take this race seriously, maybe reconsider your stance?". Or, what, do you want us to start nagging them like people did for Male Viera? Seems that'll be the only way they'll ever listen at this point. But if that happens, don't blame us for getting to that point.

We get it: everything has a cost. But bloody hell, you're defending people who haven't gone through lick of feedback and should honestly know better after 3 years. They haven't gone through what the cost even was, otherwise we'd already have news that they're doing something.

Costs are decided way before. And we've asked them to reconsider their stance for so long. How has that not factored into a cost at all? Is the answer going to be "it's only 2%" again? Because if so, then holy hell, look at other content that no one gives two flying hells about and tell me how fair that is.

[Karowolus]

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Im sorry, but.... You don't understand the situation whatsoever. The issue we have is the fact that we were just given the hairstyles that viera were. On a beast race.

That'd be like giving Argonian or Khajit the Nord Hair from Skyrim.

We didn't ask for these hairstyles. We asked for what the original promise was that hrothgar would get Racially Specific hairstyles. We don't care if it's 1 per expansion, or if they unlock our racial hairstyles. Y'know like all the mods that do so do it fairly well, in a way that the clipping... Oh... Isn't noticable. If hairstyles can be edited for there to be holes in them for viera ears. I don't see why the meshes and textures can't be tweaked in order for them to fit on the other faces. Which is... Y'know.. What was done Here.



By one person. How does it take one person maybe a few months to do this. But it takes an award winning multi-million dollar game company 4+ years to do? We feel like we need to bring out torches and pitchforks for an ounce of respect from the dev team.

[Milus]

Im sorry, but.... You don't understand the situation whatsoever. The issue we have is the fact that we were just given the hairstyles that viera were. On a beast race.

That'd be like giving Argonian or Khajit the Nord Hair from Skyrim.

We didn't ask for these hairstyles. We asked for what the original promise was that hrothgar would get Racially Specific hairstyles. We don't care if it's 1 per expansion, or if they unlock our racial hairstyles. Y'know like all the mods that do so do it fairly well, in a way that the clipping... Oh... Isn't noticable. If hairstyles can be edited for there to be holes in them for viera ears. I don't see why the meshes and textures can't be tweaked in order for them to fit on the other faces. Which is... Y'know.. What was done Here.



By one person. How does it take one person maybe a few months to do this. But it takes an award winning multi-million dollar game company 4+ years to do? We feel like we need to bring out torches and pitchforks for an ounce of respect from the dev team.

this was what i was expecting with the ''new hairstyle'', not those earless abominations.

[Karowolus]

Also. To anybody who wants to make the argument again that we're a minority...

About 1% of the playerbase does ultimate, and they fixed a bug. The fact that there's a bug and that is fixed nearly instantly. Surely something like that should have made it through QA... Like how these hairstyles clearly didn't. Or the housing fiasco clearly didnt.

THERE'S A MOD out there that restores the ears even states what was done to restore them:

[Vahlnir]

Also. To anybody who wants to make the argument again that we're a minority...

About 1% of the playerbase does ultimate, and they fixed a bug. The fact that there's a bug and that is fixed nearly instantly. Surely something like that should have made it through QA... Like how these hairstyles clearly didn't. Or the housing fiasco clearly didnt.

THERE'S A MOD out there that restores the ears even states what was done to restore them:

If true, then they were simply making more work for themselves just by removing the ears, which puts their intentions further into question.