In regards to something involving the main cast

[Cleretic]

I’ve done leatherworker, i don’t need you to be condescending and tell me to do it. Just as they’re shown to care for the animals and land, so too do the ancients so i’m confused as to why there’s a differentiation here. Do we as the player pray for every animal killed? It seems we didn’t care too much since we almost caused the extinction of an entire species of animal in diadem as well.

Did Hythlodaeus do those things? My message on this whole thing has always been on an individual level above all else; I'm calling out Hythlodaeus for being less sensitive to animals than Eorzean leatherworkers, which is why I give the latter more of a pass than the former.

The Ancients are a population of people, and like all populations of people, some of them are better or worse than others. Elpis has Meletos in it, that's perhaps the greatest example of all that they aren't really saints. But even though I'll point out individual ills, I can't let the entire nation off the hook, because then of course you factor in that everything in the present world's biosphere is a knock-on effect of a decision someone in Elpis made, and there's suddenly a lot of legitimate complaints to raise with these guys, and the answers aren't necessarily going to be nice ones. I'm inclined to raise an eyebrow at both the individual Ancient that invented Ixion, and the system that approved it, because... well, that system can't possibly have only one Meletos.

I look the same way at all societies we've been through in this game, it's just that this one gets a little weird because we didn't exactly sit down and talk about the societal breakdown of Amaurot. I went through this in my politics videos; Amaurot's a weird egg in terms of this game's 'nations' for that reason, but it's no less full of issues to look at and address, it just has to be in a different way.

[sidurgu-12]

Did Hythlodaeus do those things? My message on this whole thing has always been on an individual level above all else; I'm calling out Hythlodaeus for being less sensitive to animals than Eorzean leatherworkers, which is why I give the latter more of a pass than the former.

The Ancients are a population of people, and like all populations of people, some of them are better or worse than others. Elpis has Meletos in it, that's perhaps the greatest example of all that they aren't really saints. But even though I'll point out individual ills, I can't let the entire nation off the hook, because then of course you factor in that everything in the present world's biosphere is a knock-on effect of a decision someone in Elpis made, and there's suddenly a lot of legitimate complaints to raise with these guys, and the answers aren't necessarily going to be nice ones. I'm inclined to raise an eyebrow at both the individual Ancient that invented Ixion, and the system that approved it, because... well, that system can't possibly have only one Meletos.

I look the same way at all societies we've been through in this game, it's just that this one gets a little weird because we didn't exactly sit down and talk about the societal breakdown of Amaurot. I went through this in my politics videos; Amaurot's a weird egg in terms of this game's 'nations' for that reason, but it's no less full of issues to look at and address, it just has to be in a different way.

im more mad at the phantasmal creators given the fact that spirit monsters have no real role in nature.