Solo fight to unlock savage tier

[HyoMinPark]

1. It does not let you weed out underperformers because a parse is stale data.

You can use a log from the website in tandem with XIV Analysis, which breaks down each players rotation and pinpoints areas of concern and where improvement is needed. Logs are fine as measures of skill if you know how to actually use and read them.

That said, if you have someone with a low combined average, outside of things like gear, you have a fairly decent grasp on their performance level. Same for strictly average medians or high medians. The only issue with the high ones are those that selectively upload. Since there are raiders that will delete anything not above a certain threshold so their medians aren’t affected.

Not even remotely the same thing. You're comparing a solo encounter designed to help someone learn how to play to someone saying you can't join static A because they saw a blue moon parse from 5 months ago of you on an EX fight. BTW, you were sick with the flu. Also five months ago.

You’re asking for a gatekeep for players that don’t meet skill requirements. This is more or less the same thing.

Your example is an extreme. If you have one blue parse but mostly high purples/oranges, any raider with a lick of sense will realize that blue log was a one off and not the norm. Everyone has bad days. It’s about a collective average and what that average tells you.

I’m merely pointing out how ironic I find it that you dislike a website being used to gatekeep when you are also asking for a gatekeep because you’re tired of unqualified players getting into your parties. And in your specific case mentioned in your OP, your static. Do you not screen players that join? That’s what other raiders use the site for, alongside trials to see the player in action and judge how well they click with the rest of the group.

[Insertusernamehere]

My static has gone through several group members who could not perform a rotation (or even any abilities at all for that matter) while moving.

How do you know they are not performing proper rotation or not good with uptime if you are not using parser?

[Fendred]

How do you know they are not performing proper rotation or not good with uptime if you are not using parser?

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

[Yeastyloins]

How do you know they are not performing proper rotation or not good with uptime if you are not using parser?

This post right here. You can absolutely use a tool like this and not get caught up in all the nonsense that goes with it or being a toxic individual. Unless you are legitimately recording every GCD they are doing and seeing if it lines with fight mechanics (i.e. not popping 2nd set of 2min CDs right before the boss goes immune in P2s) or seeing if they align CD usages at proper times with like with other raid CDs, you can't have a good idea whether or not they are playing properly. What if it's in fact somebody else your static that might be making consistent mistakes? I think a large issue with you finding a suitable team member (besides the fact the tier is in slowdown mode) is not incorporating tools such as this.

[Fendred]

You can use a log from the website in tandem with XIV Analysis, which breaks down each players rotation and pinpoints areas of concern and where improvement is needed. Logs are fine as measures of skill if you know how to actually use and read them.

That said, if you have someone with a low combined average, outside of things like gear, you have a fairly decent grasp on their performance level. Same for strictly average medians or high medians. The only issue with the high ones are those that selectively upload. Since there are raiders that will delete anything not above a certain threshold so their medians aren’t affected.



You’re asking for a gatekeep for players that don’t meet skill requirements. This is more or less the same thing.

Your example is an extreme. If you have one blue parse but mostly high purples/oranges, any raider with a lick of sense will realize that blue log was a one off and not the norm. Everyone has bad days. It’s about a collective average and what that average tells you.

I’m merely pointing out how ironic I find it that you dislike a website being used to gatekeep when you are also asking for a gatekeep because you’re tired of unqualified players getting into your parties. And in your specific case mentioned in your OP, your static. Do you not screen players that join? That’s what other raiders use the site for, alongside trials to see the player in action and judge how well they click with the rest of the group.

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

[Insertusernamehere]

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

I see my only suggestion a static team make sure to mark your logs set as private and make sure your team does not leak it, it is useful because it helped my raid friends greatly with rotation (especially analysis).
I only raid like 1-2 hours in a week, maybe your raid team have different performance expectations (purple+) and more free time.

Gatekeeping with DPS check most likely will keep people out, but I rather prefer let them in they can learn while trying.. most people learn better in raid because doing rotation on a dummy while still standing not same as doing rotation while attending mechanics moving around.

[Yeastyloins]

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

Don't think that makes you a bad player.

However, with a live parser, you are only getting raw numbers whereas in logs you do have some ability to evaluate somebody on their individual contribution by examining the difference between raid damage vs personal damage contributions.

[HyoMinPark]

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

Your example makes no sense. And you’re still missing what is so ironic about your request and your subsequent comments in the thread.

This isn’t an “apples to oranges” scenario. You want a gatekeep because you’re tired of people joining your static unprepared for the content. As stated in your OP. This website already provides you with a “résumé” for raiders, and you aren’t using it because you dislike a website gatekeeping people while you want to gatekeep with a solo instance. Which isn’t even a decent solution to the overall problem of skill gaps between normal content and high-end content. Nor is it something the developers will ever implement since they want everything to be accessible to everyone. Savage itself has suffered from that a lot throughout the years.

Though, I also have to ask if you’re even bothering to screen or trial those joining your group since it seems to be a revolving door there. If not, that isn’t anyone’s fault but your own. You have the tools to more or less gatekeep, but you don’t seem to be using them. The solutions to your problem are already there.

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

If this is directed to me, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that raiders tend to avoid people who hide their logs because they have no idea what kind of player they’re actually getting, and would rather not deal with a mystery bag when they have others with public logs. Plus, people wonder: does that player have something to hide?

I have no idea what kind of player you are, nor do I really care. You aren’t trying to join my group so your performance is irrelevant to me. Not everything people say regarding parsers and logs is a personal attack on you. Please don’t treat them like they are.

[Azuri]

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

So a bit ironic, I know, but you are aware that you indeed don't have to do P1S to unlock P2S, right?

[LittleImp]

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

Define 'Stale data'. Page percentiles do not decay over time, and are indicative of your performance relative to the time they were collected. If something is horrendously out of date, most people who examine logs will be able to understand that based on the large date displayed next to the log.

I'm beginning to think that you are functioning under the dangerous assumption that you are an inherently good player, and thus logs indicating anything to the contrary are somehow rigged against you.