Solo fight to unlock savage tier

[HyoMinPark]

1. It does not let you weed out underperformers because a parse is stale data.

You can use a log from the website in tandem with XIV Analysis, which breaks down each players rotation and pinpoints areas of concern and where improvement is needed. Logs are fine as measures of skill if you know how to actually use and read them.

That said, if you have someone with a low combined average, outside of things like gear, you have a fairly decent grasp on their performance level. Same for strictly average medians or high medians. The only issue with the high ones are those that selectively upload. Since there are raiders that will delete anything not above a certain threshold so their medians aren’t affected.

Not even remotely the same thing. You're comparing a solo encounter designed to help someone learn how to play to someone saying you can't join static A because they saw a blue moon parse from 5 months ago of you on an EX fight. BTW, you were sick with the flu. Also five months ago.

You’re asking for a gatekeep for players that don’t meet skill requirements. This is more or less the same thing.

Your example is an extreme. If you have one blue parse but mostly high purples/oranges, any raider with a lick of sense will realize that blue log was a one off and not the norm. Everyone has bad days. It’s about a collective average and what that average tells you.

I’m merely pointing out how ironic I find it that you dislike a website being used to gatekeep when you are also asking for a gatekeep because you’re tired of unqualified players getting into your parties. And in your specific case mentioned in your OP, your static. Do you not screen players that join? That’s what other raiders use the site for, alongside trials to see the player in action and judge how well they click with the rest of the group.

[Fendred]

You can use a log from the website in tandem with XIV Analysis, which breaks down each players rotation and pinpoints areas of concern and where improvement is needed. Logs are fine as measures of skill if you know how to actually use and read them.

That said, if you have someone with a low combined average, outside of things like gear, you have a fairly decent grasp on their performance level. Same for strictly average medians or high medians. The only issue with the high ones are those that selectively upload. Since there are raiders that will delete anything not above a certain threshold so their medians aren’t affected.



You’re asking for a gatekeep for players that don’t meet skill requirements. This is more or less the same thing.

Your example is an extreme. If you have one blue parse but mostly high purples/oranges, any raider with a lick of sense will realize that blue log was a one off and not the norm. Everyone has bad days. It’s about a collective average and what that average tells you.

I’m merely pointing out how ironic I find it that you dislike a website being used to gatekeep when you are also asking for a gatekeep because you’re tired of unqualified players getting into your parties. And in your specific case mentioned in your OP, your static. Do you not screen players that join? That’s what other raiders use the site for, alongside trials to see the player in action and judge how well they click with the rest of the group.

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

[HyoMinPark]

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

Your example makes no sense. And you’re still missing what is so ironic about your request and your subsequent comments in the thread.

This isn’t an “apples to oranges” scenario. You want a gatekeep because you’re tired of people joining your static unprepared for the content. As stated in your OP. This website already provides you with a “résumé” for raiders, and you aren’t using it because you dislike a website gatekeeping people while you want to gatekeep with a solo instance. Which isn’t even a decent solution to the overall problem of skill gaps between normal content and high-end content. Nor is it something the developers will ever implement since they want everything to be accessible to everyone. Savage itself has suffered from that a lot throughout the years.

Though, I also have to ask if you’re even bothering to screen or trial those joining your group since it seems to be a revolving door there. If not, that isn’t anyone’s fault but your own. You have the tools to more or less gatekeep, but you don’t seem to be using them. The solutions to your problem are already there.

Using a live parser is different than taking parses from a website to judge someone by. The guy in question is suggesting that because I don't like my stale data being posted to a website that somehow I am a bad player.

If this is directed to me, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that raiders tend to avoid people who hide their logs because they have no idea what kind of player they’re actually getting, and would rather not deal with a mystery bag when they have others with public logs. Plus, people wonder: does that player have something to hide?

I have no idea what kind of player you are, nor do I really care. You aren’t trying to join my group so your performance is irrelevant to me. Not everything people say regarding parsers and logs is a personal attack on you. Please don’t treat them like they are.

[Azuri]

There is nothing ironic about comparing apples and oranges. It's just not the same category of thing. By your own logic people shouldn't have to do P1S to unlock P2S when those are current raid tier.

So a bit ironic, I know, but you are aware that you indeed don't have to do P1S to unlock P2S, right?

[Packetdancer]

You can use a log from the website in tandem with XIV Analysis, which breaks down each players rotation and pinpoints areas of concern and where improvement is needed. Logs are fine as measures of skill if you know how to actually use and read them.

It is worth noting the creator/developer of XIV Analysis is on record as saying it is meant for personal (or static) improvement, not as a gatekeeping or shaming tool. (And has had some long posts on "please, please don't do this" elsewhere when people do use it as a shame-and-laugh thing.)

That said, I actually have found those sites invaluable for improving my own performance. When I'm having issues on a fight and wondering where I can optimize or improve (other than the eternal "when things go off the rails, don't forget to renew my DoT even as I'm madly healing people back to full after avoidable damage or someone missed a mitigation"), I can go look at not only my logs for a fight, but I can go find public logs for folks who parse really well in that fight, and compare their timeline of a run with my own.

And then I can go, "Oh, they're doing this here, and their co-healer is doing this... that makes sense, I'll see if I can't start doing that/talk to my co-healer about how we're handling that mechanic/actually remember to toggle on auto-attack for that little extra bump when I'm in melee range of the boss/whatever." And, hopefully, I get that little bit better the next time I run.