Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ASkellington]

I tell my static I want to swap to healer for the night if I want to give my wrists a break (I have wrist problems). The answer isn't calling it a night, it's play a healer.

There's way too many redundant healing spells and not enough dps options. There's literally no argument here. Easier content doesn't utilize even half of your healing kit. The harder ones gradually use less and less as the rest of the party gets comfortable and does your job for you. What's left? Broil/Glare/Dosis/Malefic. The mechanics in encounters don't help either, most have been reduced towards a wipe if you fail the mechanic.

I admit I don't main healer so I tried to refrain from posting, but I want to help by adding my voice here with my own experience. I had a lot more to say, but I'd be making a huge wall of text doing so.

Nah air out your complaints. I'm not even a hardcore healer and I do the same because if I am dissatisfied, if people below my skill level are as well, it means it isn't just the "hardcore number crunchers" who have issues.

If people who don't main healer can also see the problems with the class, all the more. Cause it highlights that the problem isn't just in high end play its also in low end as well.

[Nethereal]

Point me in the direction of a good MMORPG with great healing and I'll be gone.

Tera has the best action oriented combat in the entire mmorpg industry and the most classic take on the trinity system.

The only issues healers ever had on that game is that one(Priest) was a lot better than the other(Mystic) for awhile due to the nature of the other's kit, this was fixed in later patches.

Tera overall is a trash game I don't recommend anyone play but I do recommend you play a healer on that game until max level and just do dailies and see what could've been.

There were literal fights where you would heal yourself to draw aggro of mobs and just kite them in circles while your party dpsed(Manya's Core).

[BrokentoothMarch]

Tera has the best action oriented combat in the entire mmorpg industry and the most classic take on the trinity system.

The only issues healers ever had on that game is that one(Priest) was a lot better than the other(Mystic) for awhile due to the nature of the other's kit, this was fixed in later patches.

Tera overall is a trash game I don't recommend anyone play but I do recommend you play a healer on that game until max level and just do dailies and see what could've been.

There were literal fights where you would heal yourself to draw aggro of mobs and just kite them in circles while your party dpsed(Manya's Core).

That's really the sad reality, isn't it? Just about any MMO does the whole MMO thing better than FFXIV when it comes to combat and, depending on what they mean by "focusing on solo experience", they could gimp themselves to the point where they're completely consumed by everything else, effectively staying at the top only by the fervent fanboyism and nothing else.

Kind of like a certain other game that made everyone go wow.

[Nethereal]

People fail to realize that a healer is made of both the healing side and the dps side and the complexity of the dps side doesn't affect the accesibility of the healing side. But I constantly hear that WHM should be simple on the dps side from the same people that say healers should only focus on healing and keep everyone at full HP. It just makes no sense. They prefer to use Cure I over Glare, what does it matter for them if the dps kit is more engaging?
Having one healer that is more straightforward on the healing side and doesn't dip too deep into delayed heals, layering mitigation and requiring to plan ahead is nice. It doesn't even have to be WHM but it would work well with the theoretic class fantasy of being a powerhouse. Strong, impactful skills, quality over quantity, straightforward raw and bursty healing. A kit that isn't bloated with the same skill on a myriad of different cooldowns and some small flavour added here and there. Healing is and never will be the core part of healer gameplay but the kits can at least reflect the corresponding class fantasy.
And with the dps kit they should just go wild on all healers, no exceptions.

You put it a lot more eloquently then I've been explaining it to my friends the past few weeks. The constant parroting of "Oh we can't make healers too complicated we don't want the baby healers to be stressed."

When you can literally clear all content with 4 GCD spells: Single Target GCD, DoT GCD, Single target heal GCD, AoE heal GCD. The rest is just fluff, a matter of efficiency.

If they're struggling to clear content with 4 buttons it doesn't matter what you do they're still going to struggle.

Edt: I forgot lucid dreaming.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I admit I don't main healer so I tried to refrain from posting, but I want to help by adding my voice here with my own experience. I had a lot more to say, but I'd be making a huge wall of text doing so.

It doesn’t take any sort of esotericism to spot the issue. Several of my friends also had the same thought process over the course of their progression:
1. Starts as a new healer, is loving the job fantasy and aesthetic.
2. Learns how to deal damage & keep the DoT up. Typically tries to top up party’s health in ARR dungeons/trials
3. Sometime later partied with me for dailies and ask why I do not heal. Then it clicked in their mind: their 1-2 casts of Medica II/Asp Helios/Succor/E.Prognosis was enough to let the party survive. The healing amount needed varies between duties but in general it tells them how powerful healers’ tools and how pushover the actual damage intakes are. This gets even more obvious to them if they’re a tank main before starting their healer experience.
4. ”So I want to do something to help the party when healing isn’t needed… I just press… 1 button?” Yes my friend, 1 2 1 1 1 1. From lv4 to lv90.
5. At some point they either continue healing because duty roulette says they have to be there or just straight up drop the role after maxing it out because the idea of getting entertainment only when people mess up stupidly was unfun to them even if they do not seriously optimize their gameplay.
Bonus point: dies in dungeon/trial as a healer when the boss was still at 70%. The party went by on their own while my friend tanked the floor for the rest of the fight. Must be nice to know that you’re not even needed in actual duties & can just afk.

[Roxus]

It doesn’t take any sort of esotericism to spot the issue. Several of my friends also had the same thought process over the course of their progression:
1. Starts as a new healer, is loving the job fantasy and aesthetic.
2. Learns how to deal damage & keep the DoT up. Typically tries to top up party’s health in ARR dungeons/trials
3. Sometime later partied with me for dailies and ask why I do not heal. Then it clicked in their mind: their 1-2 casts of Medica II/Asp Helios/Succor/E.Prognosis was enough to let the party survive. The healing amount needed varies between duties but in general it tells them how powerful healers’ tools and how pushover the actual damage intakes are. This gets even more obvious to them if they’re a tank main before starting their healer experience.
4. ”So I want to do something to help the party when healing isn’t needed… I just press… 1 button?” Yes my friend, 1 2 1 1 1 1. From lv4 to lv90.
5. At some point they either continue healing because duty roulette says they have to be there or just straight up drop the role after maxing it out because the idea of getting entertainment only when people mess up stupidly was unfun to them even if they do not seriously optimize their gameplay.
Bonus point: dies in dungeon/trial as a healer when the boss was still at 70%. The party went by on their own while my friend tanked the floor for the rest of the fight. Must be nice to know that you’re not even needed in actual duties & can just afk.

Oh I absolutely agree. I just didn't want to add to the discussion with the concern that I wouldn't be fully informed, as I dislike that. I do however, have a lot of friends who mained healer and have discussed the issues with me over the years.

For the bonus point, I see that happening often in my dungeon runs, and sometimes extends to the tanks too. Also, whether this be the encounter being flawed or not, my static has done no healer runs in savage before, with a RDM to assist when its needed only. Solo healing savage/ultimate is also another point where the focus shouldn't be that the players in said encounter are good at their jobs, but rather the fights enabling them to do so with practically zero risk. If I ever gather my thoughts properly I'll write again.

[MintnHoney]

Honestly, we need all the perspectives we can get, whether it's someone totally new, the top healer in the universe, or anything in between. If there are so many testimonies about the state of healing being poor, from multiple levels of play, then it's only a matter of time before they and their defenders run out of excuses to cycle through.
In the other recently opened thread, someone posted a video that was an interesting view into how much they tune the game to healing. Now granted, it's Sastasha; the first dungeon, the easiest dungeon, and they pulled one group at a time with the Duty Support NPCs. However it says something when they can get away with doing absolutely nothing, and I wonder how far you can go and still get away with that. I don't know, of course, but imagine getting through entire expansions doing nothing at all but moving your character a little bit at a time.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Honestly, we need all the perspectives we can get, whether it's someone totally new, the top healer in the universe, or anything in between. If there are so many testimonies about the state of healing being poor, from multiple levels of play, then it's only a matter of time before they and their defenders run out of excuses to cycle through.
In the other recently opened thread, someone posted a video that was an interesting view into how much they tune the game to healing. Now granted, it's Sastasha; the first dungeon, the easiest dungeon, and they pulled one group at a time with the Duty Support NPCs. However it says something when they can get away with doing absolutely nothing, and I wonder how far you can go and still get away with that. I don't know, of course, but imagine getting through entire expansions doing nothing at all but moving your character a little bit at a time.

That video made my stomach turns. It's sickening to watch.

[Shin96]

someone posted a video that was an interesting view into how much they tune the game to healing.

When bots have more engagement in 2022 than healers.. you know something's not right.

[Punslinger]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen word that the team responsible for designing Ultimate is also responsible for housing? Considering the state of 6.1 so far, that just makes me wonder how borked DSU will be.

The winning roll for this week's loot is 0. No party members have been awarded any loot for this clear.