PvP Rewards; 6.1 and beyond.

[Rynhardt]

In an industry full of fomo abuse I appreciate that most rewards in ffxiv can be earned at your own pace. Time exclusive major rewards have never had a place in this game and in most aspects square seems to agree. Coming from a guy who has been playing since 2.x and HAS almost all the time exclusive rewards in the game, I am overjoyed whenever they bring those things back because I'm a normal person. If they remain just as hard to get as they originally did, what does it matter if other players also get them?

[Garnix]

I have one concern with the reward structure: 1 series = 2 seasons.
I think that a lot of players will not bother playing season 2 at all.
Right now people want the series reward, for sure, and are aiming for this. Then, depending on their ranking by the time they get the armor, they may want to push towards Crystal, which means the odd-numbered season will always be quite active (at least at the beginning).
But if the reward for season 2 are the same portrait frames (with only the number changing), I believe a lot of people won't be interested in farming it whatsoever.
It's pretty much the same reason why a lot of people didn't bother with the Feast seasons: top 100 rewards were out of touch anyways for most of us, so why waste your time with it?
The only way I can see it changing, is if they add wolf collar rewards with each season or something like that.
Did they communicate on that?

[Tobias_Azuryon]

I have been waiting to find another chance to get this for a long time.

I understand people being defensive of rewards for stomaching previous iterations of PVP but I could see people like myself who hated the previous system really going for it if it means getting those rewards again.

Now that queue times and playing pvp isn't a slog it just makes sense imo.

Frontlines is the only mode with the following key points:

- ease of understanding the fundamentals in Frontlines
- ease of joining due to no role restrictions
- additional incentives via Daily Challenge, because let's face it:

The majority of the western community lives and dies by incentive and won't turn a finger without it.

To add to this, I don't think people realize just how much incentive the crystal system really gives me as a potential pvp player. I've never hit PVP as hard as I have this mode and partially it's because inbetween the big rewards I can use the crystals on more glam options, AND I'm getting wolf marks at the same time.

Most of the time my FC used PVP/Frontlines just to help level alts, now it's a game mode with a "track" to go on that includes glams/frames/etc. This adds the tail to the mode that it needed to stay alive because I can clearly see what my next milestone is and the matches are fast to get into and usually fast to get out of.

I treat it like a battle equivalent to Golden Saucer where I'm hopping into a game to see if I can get to the next crystal pack to get that up res'd MCH coat or buy the allagan gear I missed.

While incentive shouldn't be the only thing that warrants people playing a game mode, given that the only "fast" way to do pvp before was Frontlines which sometimes feels like a complete slog, a fast new mode with both normal rewards and specialized rewards (marks/Crystals) portraits to show off, gear to show off, and genuinely interesting takes on the PvE Formula creates a great foundation moving forward for the mode. I just have to hope they don't leave it to die.

I'm really hoping they capitalize on this momentum and/or have "mini letters" from like the pvp dev team or with Yoshi-P to discuss direction PVP is taking and treat it like a serious mode. I know that's pie in the sky probably but as someone who's never given a single inkling of a care about pvp, I'd be super bummed if the breath of fresh air it finally got was snuffed out a few weeks later.

[Cpt_Jack_Irons]

I have been waiting to find another chance to get this for a long time.

I understand people being defensive of rewards for stomaching previous iterations of PVP but I could see people like myself who hated the previous system really going for it if it means getting those rewards again.

Now that queue times and playing pvp isn't a slog it just makes sense imo.

I think all players should be given a fair chance to earn rewards of old, i have seen some people in this thread against it but its all the same "we should get to keep them because artifical rarity is funny" like you will not lose what you earned and you still had it way earlier than anybody else so what is the problem?

And to those who are against new players getting rewards of old all i have to say is how many of the people who owns those rewards have either 1: forgot that they even had them/not used them in years. 2: gotten their account suspended. 3: stopped playing the game entirely.

Obviously i don't know the number of players but im very certian there are a decent bunch of people filling the three examples provided above

[Donnicton]

After playing the current series for a while now I think my main issue is trophy crystals and how long it takes to get them after 30. Post-30 it's going to take 20k series exp for each repeatable 1k crystal drop? Unless the eventual plan is to just move them to Wolf Marks next season, then that's a pretty grueling prospect for reward attainability - it should really be much less after 30 since that's the only thing you're getting at that point, maybe 5k exp per 1k crystals tops.

I think all players should be given a fair chance to earn rewards of old, i have seen some people in this thread against it but its all the same "we should get to keep them because artifical rarity is funny" like you will not lose what you earned and you still had it way earlier than anybody else so what is the problem?

Which is funny because they do this with raiding mounts all the time and nobody cares, but someone proposes doing it with their PvP rewards that most of them probably got through massive Discord match collusion anyway and you get screeching from the rooftops.

SE is clearly largely against the idea of permanent exclusivity anyway considering how often they rotate content back or otherwise occasionally make things available again like with Garo/Yokai and Irregular Tomestones, so nobody should have any expectations that their precious PvP will be the only one to remain sacred ground.

[Lihtleita]

Not to be weird but the Lone Wolf Accessory set is already available for crystals. While I doubt the ranked mounts will be touched, I think buying older rewards is already something the devs are looking at, for better or worse.
The question is which ones and how expensive they will be.

[SamiMoshantu]

Not to be weird but the Lone Wolf Accessory set is already available for crystals. While I doubt the ranked mounts will be touched, I think buying older rewards is already something the devs are looking at, for better or worse.
The question is which ones and how expensive they will be.

Here's what I want the answers to those questions to be: "All of them", and "Very".

[PotatoTree]

Just make new rewards, leave the old rewards alone. People worked hard for those. Otherwise I want a refund for the time I wasted.

[SamiMoshantu]

Just make new rewards, leave the old rewards alone. People worked hard for those. Otherwise I want a refund for the time I wasted.

You'll still have it though. Make it hard to get sure, but just because you put in a bunch of time and was good enough (or wintraded, I don't know your life) to get the mount shouldn't mean I am now never allowed to have that oppertunity because I wasn't playing PvP then.

[Sinstrel]

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.