What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[WaxSw]

I can't get behind the healer discussion anymore. I have to just watch from the sidelines as I personally want my healers to....heal rather then spam DPS. So by that logic I wouldn't want them being frustrated by saying "UGH...my dps rotation is broken because I have to heal your stupid face!".... "SHAME on you dumb tank for getting hit by that tank buster!"...."UGH healing is broken because I can't DPS like....a DPS....i'm forced to heal...why did I pick up a healer?"

Again I just have to stand by and shrug while healers argue about getting the two lowest parses in a raid..... right......

The problem is...THERE IS NOTHING TO HEAL. Dungeons are consistently cleared without healers because tank mitigation and healing is busted, extremes have been cleared without healers and even the 2 first floors of savage have seen no healer runs, ucob has been cleared without healers and there are 1 heal clears of all the ultimates, when there heal requirements are that low the whole "healers should heal" point doesn't work anymore (and has never to anyone half decent at it tbh).

All the arguments you say are dismantled by previous healer iterations and current tanks in fact, you have classes that can heal while having multiple ofensive actions that do not get in the way of healing, we have gauges that allow to save resources and delay the execution of actions and charges that work the same, the "UGH...my dps rotation is broken because..." woudn't happen, in fact even current healers are a proof that, good healers dont use anything but ogcd heals and all the gcds are their nuke and their dot, some of those casts could be switched for other actions and the healing side woudn't be affected in the slightest.

Besides on a side note if you've only cleared this tier and looking at parses not even fully cleared I don't think you're in a position to judge if the tier is good or not as you haven't experienced all the content and don't have anything to compare it against.

[Sqwall]

The problem is...THERE IS NOTHING TO HEAL. Dungeons are consistently cleared without healers because tank mitigation and healing is busted, extremes have been cleared without healers and even the 2 first floors of savage have seen no healer runs, ucob has been cleared without healers and there are 1 heal clears of all the ultimates, when there heal requirements are that low the whole "healers should heal" point doesn't work anymore (and has never to anyone half decent at it tbh).

Besides on a side note if you've only cleared this tier and looking at parses not even fully cleared I don't think you're in a position to judge if the tier is good or not as you haven't experienced all the content and don't have anything to compare it against.

Had to trim your post.

Interesting argument. Shall I pull multiple threads that I have started about how tanks need to take MORE damage, and healers need to SWEAT more instead of crying about their DPS "rotation" is boring. I am completely in the camp of restore the holy trinity style gameplay. I mentioned this ALLL the way back when shadowbringers launched. When you start to see tank only runs, 1 healer runs, and no healer dungeon runs I was thinking...huh...this COMPLETELY invalidates healers by a HUGE degree, this can be fixed by making a party just take....I don't know...more damage they can't fix without 1-2 healers?

Nope....now here we are....the game is primarily hyper focused on DPS first...and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. Kill the boss before enrage...that's all that matters. Why bring a healer when you can bring a SAM or a MNK. Just kill it before you need heals...that's the key right?

Wrong....if I had it my way.... I would make healers cry....make them scream to the heavens about DPS standing in the fire. Then watch as they refuse to heal people standing in fire.... nature over nurture. Nature always wins. DPS is pointless on a healer anyway...sure it all adds up...but to me...it's superficial...a placebo effect. Add more moments that REQURE healers to heal and healers would NEVER push those dps buttons.

Those battle hardened healers that don't crumble under a constant barrage of damage...those are the ones I want in a party...those are the healers I want when the chips are down. Enrage be damned if a good healer can be that clutch moment we need.

Not even going to dignify response about what I can or can't be commenting on with not having this current tier cleared. I don't hold peoples FFLOGS against them when trying to prove a point, which that I struck a nerve for some if you have to run to FFLOGS to prove a point that you don't like hearing. I'm not recruiting anyone on my side to defend my points, look at my FFLOGS....I don't care....I'm still proud of what my static has accomplished. Parse be damned....I literally don't care.

[Manofpassion]

Had to trim your post.

Interesting argument. Shall I pull multiple threads that I have started about how tanks need to take MORE damage, and healers need to SWEAT more instead of crying about their DPS "rotation" is boring. I am completely in the camp of restore the holy trinity style gameplay. I mentioned this ALLL the way back when shadowbringers launched. When you start to see tank only runs, 1 healer runs, and no healer dungeon runs I was thinking...huh...this COMPLETELY invalidates healers by a HUGE degree, this can be fixed by making a party just take....I don't know...more damage they can't fix without 1-2 healers?

Nope....now here we are....the game is primarily hyper focused on DPS first...and 2nd, and 3rd, and 4th. Kill the boss before enrage...that's all that matters. Why bring a healer when you can bring a SAM or a MNK. Just kill it before you need heals...that's the key right?

Wrong....if I had it my way.... I would make healers cry....make them scream to the heavens about DPS standing in the fire. Then watch as they refuse to heal people standing in fire.... nature over nurture. Nature always wins. DPS is pointless on a healer anyway...sure it all adds up...but to me...it's superficial...a placebo effect. Add more moments that REQURE healers to heal and healers would NEVER push those dps buttons.

Those battle hardened healers that don't crumble under a constant barrage of damage...those are the ones I want in a party...those are the healers I want when the chips are down. Enrage be damned if a good healer can be that clutch moment we need.

Not even going to dignify response about what I can or can't be commenting on with not having this current tier cleared. I don't hold peoples FFLOGS against them when trying to prove a point, which that I struck a nerve for some if you have to run to FFLOGS to prove a point that you don't like hearing. I'm not recruiting anyone on my side to defend my points, look at my FFLOGS....I don't care....I'm still proud of what my static has accomplished. Parse be damned....I literally don't care.

No offense, but I think you're a bit off your rocker mate. I really don't see how nature over nurture has anything to do with healer design. It seems like you're just getting off to how you want healers to cry and scream kek

Think you just need a subby healslut instead of whatever this is

[Sqwall]

No offense, but I think you're a bit off your rocker mate. I really don't see how nature over nurture has anything to do with healer design. It seems like you're just getting off to how you want healers to cry and scream kek

Think you just need a subby healslut instead of whatever this is

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...good-for-tanks

Took me awhile to find.

[Sqwall]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...y-too-OP/page5

More reading material

[Sqwall]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

[Teno]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

Yes a big problem for healers is that the "rotation" is boring. The fights are so very scripted, that even with more stringent healing checks there would be at best slightly more optimization on oGCDs and at best a few GCDs. That wouldn't solve the underlying issue of finding every window you possibly can to spam that one dps spell.

[Deceptus]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

And veteran healers saw what you're talking about a mile away. SE says they're going to increase healing requirements but they never do in a substantial way.

[MiaShino]

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

Sure sure these should be more threatening especially without the cooldowns but I hate to break this news..

My order of operations would likely be;

Hmm, should I bene? Well, the raidwide is coming soon and my aoe heals will catch the tank too. Passive healing should resolve the rest and their bloodwhetting will be off cooldown again too. Alright! *glare* > *indulgence* > *rapture* > *assize + asylum*. All good! If the timing is good miiiight help mit both raidwide and buster with a slightly early temperance or if assize did not line up I can boost Rapture with it.

[Kyrj]

The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

The problem is enemies/bosses completely invalidate healers.

They just don't hit hard enough.

When a tank "buster" hit's my warrior for 10% of my HP ( 90k HP or something like that)...one button completely invalidates a healer....bloodwhetting or equilibrium. Don't worry healer...I got this...continue DPSING....

the healer *sighs* as there is no immediate danger.

If that tank buster hit me for 75% or 80% of my HP...well....now we're talking....equilibrium won't even come close to healing 70k...i'll need help.

I mean their rotation is boring as shit, but I see what you're trying to say. For example Xenosys Vex just did a blind run on the new dungeon (I know it's not Savage or Ult) with a WAR tank and 3 dps. They didn't need a healer, how sad is that? Brand new dungeon and healer wasn't even needed.