Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
Also same. Even Reddit and Twitter tend to be less toxic than the official FFXIV forums, and that's saying something since they can both be... well, pretty darn toxic. I tend to stay away from these forums for that reason and have only been buzzing around here the last few days to scrape up information about housing and a potential resolution. And, of course, I come here and immediately see "The devs are the same as the WORST outside developer I can THINK OF." Then there's the "the devs are not your friends!" thread where, I don't know, people think being casually rude and crappy to the devs is better than being casually friendly and familial with them. And, of course, the ever present, "whatever tone I take is deserved!" and "I'm actually being nice even though I'd probably get punched if I said that in person" etc.

It's all very exhausting and sort of justifies the opinions a lot of people outside of the gaming world have of gamers.
This is actually true rofl.
It kinda feels at times like people on the forum are obsessed with convincing others about how bad the game supposedly is.
It's the same with the '' toxic positivity '' thing, and then you find out that the reason why people had an issue with the '' criticism '' or negative opinions the OP had was because the OP was being a jerk.

I don't think that this is true, but at times it almost feels like it's infested with salty WoW players.
The forums just comes across like Twitch chat for a WoW Streamer or something being all like '' NUH-UH WEEB LOSER GAME BAD TOXIC POSITIVITY I CAN'T CRITICIZE !?! !? ''.
It's just so fundamentally different than what I see ingame and else where.

Like I understand that there are problems... I've been very frustrated with Job changes too...
But holy hell people act like the devs are intentionally trying to upset people and like it's the worst thing that has ever happened to them.
I get getting upset about stuff, but people gotta have some understanding and self-awareness about how they give criticism to the devs.
If you were at a restaurant and wanted to give negative feedback you wouldn't be taken seriously if you called the chef '' an idiot who can't cook, how could he forget the salt??? ''.
And much the same a CM who collects feedback isn't going to collect feedback that is written in an extremely aggressive manner they're going to ignore it.

Even if I agree with most of the current criticism I see, it's still delivered in an extremely shitty way and then people wonder why they're not being listened to.