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  1. #11
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    Honestly, the only big things I'll have to wag my finger to the devs are the Hrothgar hair fiasco, and the now current lottery system being bugged. These two issues I cant glance over and the devs seriously need to do better as they're universally unacceptable Maaaaaybe fit in current jobs since thats a whole 'nother debate where I lean towards both sides arguing for or against some changes.

    Other than that, Ive been perfectly fine with EW and 6.1. People are allowed to like and dislike things about this game but to say that this game has gotten as bad as retail WoW is just dumb.
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    Very brave of you to dare to say anything negative about Heavenly Golden Dragon God Emperor Star Ancestor Yoshi-P.
    I agree with you though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    The most funny thing about this thread is that OPs male viera wouldn't even exist if Yoshi P. wouldn't had listened to the begging community.

    I mean there is nothing holding you back from going back to the "don't you guys have phones" gaming company. I bet you will enjoy your stay there.
    Huh?

    Yoshi-P was on record for quite some time dismissing the idea of male viera as 'weird' and although there's no concrete proof, it can be reasoned that he originally hoped that he could get away with adding two gender locked races. It was only in response to the backlash that male viera were added and even then they've been plagued by issues such as being unable to use many hairstyles and glamour options.

    To say nothing of the situation Hrothgar face.

    From the interview in question:



    It's good that he added them, though they were only added in response to criticism and it's his job to deduce what is and isn't a beneficial addition to the game. Personally I still think WoW has a broader range of playable races overall to suit a greater number of personal tastes. I miss some of the playable options, to be honest.
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  4. #14
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    No...
    There are problems in FFXIV and I don't like some of the design decisions, but the issues and complaints we have about the game are extremely minor in comparison to WoW.
    I mean yeah I get it, no ears for Hrothgar memes.
    But in the grand scheme of things that stuff comes nowhere close at all to the issues in WoW.

    I think the stuff we complain about sorta proves how good we actually do have it.
    That's not to say that there aren't problems and that we shouldn't complain and give feedback.
    But at least I don't have to question my own morals for giving the devs money in FFXIV.
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  5. #15
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    To be quite honest, I feel SE needs to stop siphoning money from this project and pushing it to other games. They need to invest more resources financially speaking into this game. Stop taking the profits from it and only minimally reciprocating back into the game. I have this strange feeling that alot of 14's profits go to things like stranger of paradise INSTEAD of improving the overall structure of this game.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    Very brave of you to dare to say anything negative about Heavenly Golden Dragon God Emperor Star Ancestor Yoshi-P.
    I agree with you though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynDrji8ukXI

    Point 10.


    Cheers
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    Is that your defense for Yoshida? Male Viera? Okay.... I mean you could've gone with literally anything else like 2.0
    Yeah sure but it's nothing the OP would know about, the fact that Viera only made it into the game cause the devs gave in to the begging community is something OP can most relate to.

    Digging out a fact that is over half a decade old isn't really a good thing. But if you want to bring out all the old stories like an old grandpa we could speak about the pain that was cleric stance and how the dev team delivered us from that! Or how mch and bard were casters in HW and they listened to the feedback and got rid of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    Yeah sure but it's nothing the OP would know about, the fact that Viera only made it into the game cause the devs gave in to the begging community is something OP can most relate to.

    Digging out a fact that is over half a decade old isn't really a good thing. But if you want to bring out all the old stories like an old grandpa we could speak about the pain that was cleric stance and how the dev team delivered us from that! Or how mch and bard were casters in HW and they listened to the feedback and got rid of this.
    Can we talk about how they’ve ignored healers for 6+ years now and now recently when they acknowledged them it was to say if they want engaging gameplay go do ultimate? Instead of yknow, addressing the problem directly.
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  9. #19
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    Why do you think a game has to get to a point where the core community hates playing it? I don't feel that Yoshi-P and his team ever want that situation and neither do many players. It's perfectly fine to want value for your money. And I think you mistake many of us still thinking positively of Yoshi-P and being willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt with blind worship. Many of us do think fondly of him and the team because they may falter (and we bring those instances to light, I'm a healer main and I found the Ultimate comment very odd) but they've also done very right by us. They do stumble sometimes, but their love and care for the game comes through loud and clear. That makes us love and care for the game and want to help them with feedback when they stumble.
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    Last edited by TaleraRistain; 04-17-2022 at 06:01 AM.

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Huh?

    Yoshi-P was on record for quite some time dismissing the idea of male viera as 'weird' and although there's no concrete proof, it can be reasoned that he originally hoped that he could get away with adding two gender locked races. It was only in response to the backlash that male viera were added and even then they've been plagued by issues such as being unable to use many hairstyles and glamour options.

    To say nothing of the situation Hrothgar face.

    From the interview in question:



    It's good that he added them, though they were only added in response to criticism and it's his job to deduce what is and isn't a beneficial addition to the game. Personally I still think WoW has a broader range of playable races overall to suit a greater number of personal tastes. I miss some of the playable options, to be honest.
    Thing is OP compared Yoshi P. to someone who clearly never listened to his community. While playing a race that is literally proof of Yoshi P. and the dev team listening to the community.

    And yes the dev team isn't perfect, clearly. Alone the fact that with the new hrothgar haircuts Endwalker turned into Wigwalker is really sad.

    But i think we aren't quite there yet at the dismissing your community cubicle crawling alcoholic level of devs that drive their own female workers into suicide and letting all this happening by turning blind eyes on everything while only pushing out shit for the players.

    This situation is also the communities fault at the end of the day cause they created these exaggerated standards to which SE now has to live up. FFXIV clearly isn't perfect and there are many flaws like the absence of something so simple as a glam log and the housing crisis and content that is getting cut from the game clearly. But dragging the devs that much through the mud while playing something that is only possible cause the devs actually listened to their players is quite hilarious to me.
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