Adventure Plates feedback!

[ZavosEsperian]

Having made my own Adventure Plate and have been looking at other player’s Adventure Plates, overall I enjoy the new customization features Adventure Plates provide. There are some areas of feedback I have in regards to the current system:

Addressing the “elephant in the room” this piece of content has due to its user-generated nature, I believe only the most overt portrayals of indecency should be moderated. While content that is user-generated is not subject to the rating systems, overt portrayals of indecency without moderation could easily draw unwanted attention towards the game. This can be in the form of various media outlets to rating agencies that do consider the bounds of online interaction as part of their rating system, unlike the ESRB which does not do this. That being said, suggestive material where indecent elements are not the primary focus of the entire portrait should be allowable as this is already predefined in all rating systems.

On a less controversial note, I think expansion of which job actions can be used should be considered. Currently, abilities are currently restricted to PvP Limit Breaks. I would like to see perhaps some PvE related abilities make it into the system as this would expand customization options for jobs that do not have as photogenic options with their PvP Limit Breaks.

The last thing I would like to see would be the inclusion of minions into the system. This particular task is a bit of a tall order to fill, but I believe giving players the ability to make Adventure Plates around their favorite minions would be a nice addition to the system. Emotes supporting this system as well as toggles for targeting the minion inside of the plate and looking at the camera would have to be implemented, but this would allow for a large increase of player customization. Minions that have special actions should be able to express those actions when they are being set up inside of the plate via an action drop down menu. Minions that are also able to perch themselves on the player should also be allowed to do just that.

This is my current feedback to the beta system we have at the moment, and some of these ideas and recommendations are subject to change over time as the system evolves. There are several ideas on the forums that also I think should be added in as well, such as plates being used beyond currently PvP.

[Kolsykol]

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This is just a strange argument imo, the game is rated T it's not for minors.
In order to partake in the online interactions to begin with you need to be playing the game, which again is rated T.
So why should the online interactions be treated as if they're rated E?

There's some example I've seen where I think it crosses the line and it kinda stops being what's intended to be in the game, like there's one where someone has dyed their DRG weapon in a skin-color and they're posing like it looks like they're uh pleasuring themselves.
It looks very believable I actually thought it was modded first, I can see in that scenario that it's going too far.
But most cases where I see people getting upset about this is just people wearing the 2B legs or swimwear etc...
Even if the butt is in the focus or whatever it's still ingame content that hasn't been altered to intentionally depict nudity and you see it in places like Limsa...

The rating thing and talking about minors etc tho, it honestly just always feels to me like people get upset by it themselves and then they use minors as an argument and shield to try and get content removed.
Minors aren't allowed to play the game which also means that they're not allowed to partake in the online interactions.
I dunno if I'd label this '' online interactions '' either it's not like people ERP:ing or whatever this is just their glams and a pose.
Again you can see this in Limsa or wherever, and the game is full of sexual violence in the story and sex jokes.
I just think it's a silly argument about the rating.

If we're talking about the example I gave with the DRG tho, then I think we're entering a territory where it's actually depicting pornography to such an extent where I think '' personal taste '' just flies out the window.
A character showing their butt in underwear tho isn't pornography and it's not depicting nudity.
And since that's the main thing I see people getting upset about I have a hard time taking it seriously.

[ZavosEsperian]

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I think what I said might be a bit broad for those seeking to change the argument so I will clarify to be more specific as well as what would be considered an abuse of the system and what is not an abuse of the system based on current moderation in the game:

Something that would not be an abuse of the system would be where revealing pieces (such as a bikini top with 2B bottoms for female characters or for male characters say a speedo of some form) are used but there is not complete emphasis on the revealing nature of the piece(s) in question and does not have any pornographic connotation based on other elements in the image. This is a normal form of player expression that in no way is an issue for in-game interactions between players and material associated to that player.

An example of material that would be an abuse of the system would deal with say a Miqo'te Female using 2B bottoms and using the pose emote, orienting the character in such a way as to have the characters "assets" on full display and in focus of the image. These images, along with depictions of pornographic elements, would fall in violation of the system as these subject unwilling players to these images unwarranted and unsolicited thanks to other systems already in the game (such as CC loading screen or being able to examine adventure plates).

Using the straw-man of "The game depicts x, y, and z, therefore it is ok if I depict x, y, and z" is not the same thing. The game elements created by the developers, not what users of the game come up with, are subject to the rating system thus there is a level of understanding that the player knows what the content of the game is based on the elements described in the rating from the developers to the player.

This is not the same as a player being given access to a creation tool from the developers to create something that interacts with other players. The assets being created from this creation tool are made by players to interact with other players. It is no different than people having inappropriate search comments and names, as these too are player assets being created using a tool provided by the developers, albeit considerably more rudimentary.

Player characters in Limsa I know will be argued if I dont bring it up. Unless the character is interacting with you in a way that you consider harassing behavior (emote spam, inappropriate usage of emotes, etc), then everything is all good. This is due to the fact that a character standing around in revealing clothing is not inherently an issue as i have described this is a proper form of expression. It is the abuse of this expression in combination with other game elements and you are being subjected to it unwillingly is where there are issues.


Hopefully this clarifies some of the confusion