FF14 becoming more solo friendly is good

[cactusbees]

All this does is continue to promote incorrect gameplay.

Well, at least i can always queue with other human beings.

That's all well and fine for you and your playstyle. Remember that this is babby's first RPGMMO for many players and they're dipping their feet in finally. Let them do as they do.

[LukaRoselia]

An MMO promoting solo play is the opposite of good. This game is going to end up like WoW where a good chunk of the playerbase will become anti social mutes because they don't need anyone for anything. We will see an influx of players across all roles that can barely play their jobs, only pull two mobs at a time and can't function in endgame content when they have to join up with other players. I've never understood the concept of wanting to play an online game but not wanting any social interaction whatsoever. The logic is just lost on me. Other than oh muh god I need to jump on the bandwagon game of the month so I can look cool and relevant.

Sorry if that comes across as toxic but you wouldn't go to an RTS game or shooter and whine for the devs too make it turn based because your reaction times are too slow would you? It's like going to a football match and complaining to the club that you don't like football and asking them to convert to a rugby team instead. Again something you wouldn't do. You'd acknowledge that you tried the genre and it just isn't for you.

[splinter1545]

Many players are adverse to MMOs because they do not like the idea of relying on other people and aren't comfortable being social or simply do not want to be bothered.

Let's be honest, this probably isn't true. Sure, there are some that don't want to play an MMO, but the reason a lot of single player fans haven't played this game yet is because of the sub fee, and even with all these changes, they still won't play because who would want to pay a sub fee to basically play a single player game? Even the small amount of people that will join because it stripped MMO portions of it's story will still leave, because once they finish the MSQ there will be no reason for them to stay as they aren't interested in what the game actually is at it's core.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they are doing it, but at the same time it worries me because the reason I even picked up this game back at the relaunch was because it was an MMO Final Fantasy. And they are slowly stripping that away to turn it into something that it just simply isn't.

[Catwho]

Let's be honest, this probably isn't true. Sure, there are some that don't want to play an MMO, but the reason a lot of single player fans haven't played this game yet is because of the sub fee, and even with all these changes, they still won't play because who would want to pay a sub fee to basically play a single player game? Even the small amount of people that will join because it stripped MMO portions of it's story will still leave, because once they finish the MSQ there will be no reason for them to stay as they aren't interested in what the game actually is at it's core.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they are doing it, but at the same time it worries me because the reason I even picked up this game back at the relaunch was because it was an MMO Final Fantasy. And they are slowly stripping that away to turn it into something that it just simply isn't.

Well, now they have no excuse not to play the free trial, which includes all content up to level 60 including the award winning Heavensward expan-

[HisShadowX]

As the majority of players enjoy playing their class solo, the content should reflect the base. Grouping in dungeons is fine, but for the average player the content should be soloable.
Overly complicated and ridiculous mechanics only appease the masochistic players who never leave their keyboard. This group accounts for a very small percentage. If these people want bragging rights, maybe they should study to become scientists and develop new treatments for cancer. Having a game so difficult that only those who never leave the confines of their room solves nothing.
That's why I am happy they have taken a route that is solo friendly as well as has ridiculous challenges for those few that want it.
Video games are for fun. They are not for polishing one's epeen in town showing off what nobody else can get without quitting their jobs, family, life to get.

Thank you friend, you are correct and support your message. I know the Hardcore Minority will disagree and whine

Eh, there's no money in curing cancer. I'd rather run dungeons while keeping my day job.
Video games are for fun, but what if a lot of my fun is dependent on the social experience of an MMO and actively being challenged? At that point the video game is not fun anymore.

The Hardcore Minority do not understand masochistic tendencies that they have. Their BDSM lifestyle of pain to gain pleasure, but they call it, "accomplishment"

I believe the decision to make solo content and NPC groups is to try to draw more of the traditional final fantasy players who played several of single player games. Those games had you playing along side a group of NPCs that you relied on. The main draw in those games was the visual often emotional story telling. Final Fantasy 14 is everything wonderful about those single player games with an incredible community. Many players are adverse to MMOs because they do not like the idea of relying on other people and aren't comfortable being social or simply do not want to be bothered.

There will be plenty of things for people who enjoy MMOs to do. You will still have the ability to do things as groups and at the end of the day, high-end content will still require working with others. Maybe not the dungeons, but raids and trials...

Anyway, I hope that this will be implemented in such a way that they can bridge the gap between solo and social play styles.

I do not have a steady group. I am not a member of an FC. I chat with a few people in the game. I think I have almost 15 people on my friends list in 9 months of playing the game... The trust system helped me at times when I felt uncomfortable or wanted to learn dungeons. The community has been helpful and patient when it comes to trials and raids. I believe there's potential and I think it will bring more people into the game.

You are correct as well.

I don't see what the problem is, if you don't want to play solo, don't play solo, nothing wrong with giving people more options though.

The Hardcore Minority does not understand or accepts this. In fact they believe every game should start out at Very Hard Mode because Very Hard to easy mode to them and become harder as you go. It bothers them even in single player games your playing normal or easy modes. Options are great but they do not like options. Just ask them people about how they feel about New Game Plus. They do not understand it due to BDSM masochistic tendencies because there is no reward thus no pleasure for them which they call in gaming an, "accomplishment"

The game doesn't need to be dumbed down to be solo friendly, it already was.
Wtf is even the point of playing optimally if all you care about is solo, why should those of us who want to do the harder endgame content have to suffer and get a more boring game as a result?
It's just so stupid...

OP as you see from those quote these people do not understand games made for them, fail. In fact FFXIV 1.0 was made for them, and the entire game and to be shut down and remade. These people are clueless games made for them cannot survive and when there is a game made for them still in lifesupport they won't go there because they are lonely and need to be bossy and in control of others so they go to populated MMORPGS and demand they make it harder.

I agree, I think the new content is going to be good and helpful for someone who doesn't want to risk getting yelled at by strangers. Shyness can be very difficult to overcome.

However, the NPCs are always going to be weaker than real players, and that's the trade offs. If anything, it means that the person is going to have to do better in some respects, since dying with a Trust means you start the fight over. If you screw up and die, you can't get carried - you have to start over until eventually you learn to do it right.

We see this in raids and even early raids where everything is going great except the one whiner who whines about the holy words of the mechanics. Not how the groups didn't wipe and we finished in record time but the hardcore minority just loves to whine which is why they cannot go to games made from them because they are just yelling at the wall since games for them are ghost towns that are free2play or on life support.

[TaleraRistain]

Shadow....I take a more casual bent to this game too but, my friend, you gotta stop this us vs them stuff. The BDSM comments are inappropriate and insulting. We can present our opinions and debate our given perspectives without resulting to insults.

[HisShadowX]

Shadow....I take a more casual bent to this game too but, my friend, you gotta stop this us vs them stuff. The BDSM comments are inappropriate and insulting. We can present our opinions and debate our given perspectives without resulting to insults.

There is nothing wrong with BDSM. I do not knock people who gain pleasure from pain but what does bother me is when they insist everyone should get the same pleasure as well or you are not doing it right. These people live for pain its what gets them high. They do not understand anyone or anything and fights anything that is not very hard.

These are also the same people who go in to games and with a loud voice sometimes change the game due to how out spoken they are. I was there during the SWTOR launch which EA stated would be the WoW killer and casual friendly but then the SWG crowd came in and Bioware even paid for a Guild Summit for these hardcore players were paid to visit Bioware Austin in which they made Bioware pledge never to make the game easy or have a Dungeon Finder (Duty Finder) they wanted eveyone to run around to a DKP Guild to be able to maybe get a group to enter a dungeon.

Less than a month later the director and a good portion of Bioware Austin was fired and these 'promises' to the hardcore minority were broken as 2 million casuals left and the game went free2play.

Also times you got to point out people for what they are. DKP Guilds used to be the standard with these hardcore players now in most games any Guild that believes in DKP must announce themselves as one or get a reputation on the server as a scummy scammy DKP Guild trying to scam people into getting all the loot for the Guild Higher ups well everyone else does all the work well they sit there and whine in the dungeon and do much of nothing sort of like how the Hardcore Minority does in Raids in which they whine to everyone else to do the mechanics well they sit there and often do nothing.

[TaleraRistain]

There is nothing wrong with BDSM. I do not knock people who gain pleasure from pain but what does bother me is when they insist everyone should get the same pleasure as well or you are not doing it right. These people live for pain its what gets them high. They do not understand anyone or anything and fights anything that is not very hard.

These are also the same people who go in to games and with a loud voice sometimes change the game due to how out spoken they are. I was there during the SWTOR launch which EA stated would be the WoW killer and casual friendly but then the SWG crowd came in and Bioware even paid for a Guild Summit for these hardcore players were paid to visit Bioware Austin in which they made Bioware pledge never to make the game easy or have a Dungeon Finder (Duty Finder) they wanted eveyone to run around to a DKP Guild to be able to maybe get a group to enter a dungeon.

Less than a month later the director and a good portion of Bioware Austin was fired and these 'promises' to the hardcore minority were broken as 2 million casuals left and the game went free2play.

Also times you got to point out people for what they are. DKP Guilds used to be the standard with these hardcore players now in most games any Guild that believes in DKP must announce themselves as one or get a reputation on the server as a scummy scammy DKP Guild trying to scam people into getting all the loot for the Guild Higher ups well everyone else does all the work well they sit there and whine in the dungeon and do much of nothing sort of like how the Hardcore Minority does in Raids in which they whine to everyone else to do the mechanics well they sit there and often do nothing.

But you're generalizing. Not everyone who wants more challenge in this or that respect wants super hardcore mode. I can think of maybe only one, maybe two people on these forums who espouse the idea to *that* extreme. A lot are more midcore and often there are some good suggestions. And even some places we can find common ground on. Or just agree to disagree. It's just not helping your argument to constantly call them names.

[BingleNingle]

Yeah, I actually don't even consider myself that serious of a player, I'd just like to keep some options where I can actually think and have fun doing what I'm doing. Largely I like helping people while also challenging myself. Seems like the way things are going I have to choose one or the other and I'd really rather not.

There's still some stuff I find decently fun to play, but most people hate playing it ;_; i can't blame them, considering the cliff in difficulty is not actually that fun to leap in a single go. Really sucks to watch a game I like decide it's not intended for me, but if that's how it ends up, it's not like I can stop it. I already don't heal anymore and I tried a roulette to see if it could still be fun and I was told to just ignore mechs at 90 to "make things go faster." Like. We can't even pretend to play now? Ultimately, I'll just play how I like and expect others to do the same. I'll stay out of the duty roulette queues and I'll consider the content I like on a timer.

Oh but I will add I actually like the solo-friendly stuff and the trusts and such. It's a good option/alternative and hope they flesh it out nicely. I don't begrudge its existence one bit. I'll even use it from time to time!

[technole]

I don't buy the subscription being a large deterrent to the game nowadays, everyone has subscriptions to something whether it's food delivery, Spotify, heck they might even be throwing coins at an F2P game. People love their cosmetics. Not everyone subs for infinite time, that content lul period also are people who unsub and may just come back in a year kind of thing.

You have to look at it from the business development standpoint that they got a nice slice of the the MMO players that like playing with others. Now it's trying to grow the game more and scoop up those whom might have been intimiated about the MMO aspect and may want to solo their way up, it's likely they become more addicted to group play over time too.