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    My Review of 6.1 Story Content

    The following is a review of the story content from the role quest and MSQ introduced this patch for discussion and reflection. I wrote these as I played through the content, so the overall tone may fluctuate considerably as they are essentially live reactions.

    On Garlemald – complete mismanagement and a terrible ending.

    And Garlemald becomes another United State of Final Fantasy. Imagine my surprise. No one seemingly had the time to put together a few already existing assets to make Nerva’s human form prior to his transformation. Fourchenault offering them Sharlayan citizenship after having nearly condemned them to abandonment was...something. Then they ended up being sent to the moon. Seriously? This is what they decided to lock behind the final role quest? These events sound so unusual that people think I am joking when I try to discuss Garlemald’s fate.

    Overall, from the decision to completely scrap a Garlemald expansion to the Empire reverting to a republic with some few individuals choosing instead to go live on the moon, this was just bad story telling. Too much rushing on this and too much investment in meme slice of life moments with the Scions. Enough already. Stop trying to make the Sims University: the mmorpg and get back to making a Final Fantasy game. I do not know who is responsible for handling Garlemald’s fate but they have lost a great deal of my confidence in their ability to carry major story elements like this forward.

    The more that these once distinct nations become just another republic one after the other, the less and less magic and uniqueness there is in FFXIV’s world. It is high time for this trend to stop. The last monarchy remaining in the world to my knowledge is Doma’s, everywhere else is just another democracy, apart from Gridania being ruled by its conjurers and Limsa being pirate land. Garlemald’s fate was little more than another attempt to preach some vague, cookie cutter dream of democracy onto us again like they did in Ishgard and Ala Mhigo. I suppose I can also expect Hien to abdicate his throne at some point as well, and for Alphinaud to run for office in his place. Goodness.


    The Problem of the Scions.

    Y’shtola, despite being one of the more stagnant characters since Endwalker, at the very least got to show off her Titania voice in the English dub, which is also voiced by the same VA. I did enjoy this moment, I’d wish she’d go into crazy fae mode more often if they are insistent on keeping her around. Titania and all things fae was a major high point for me back in Shadowbringers, and this VA’s performance as Dragon Age’s Sera was also excellent. Y’shtola however is in desperate need of vulnerable moments rather than this constant sassy act-I cannot stress enough how stale this has gotten over the years. If nothing else, it is refreshing to see her pursue the goal of shard travel, giving the character some sense of direction at last. This is a character who is more defined by fakeouts and constantly being brought back to life than anything else of substance. Women in this game rarely have vulnerable moments these last two expansions in stark contrast to previous Final Fantasy games like FFIX’s Garnet or FFX’s Yuna, some of FF’s strongest heroines who grew the most over their journeys, instead those moments are almost always delivered by the following character:

    G’raha Tia continues to be little more than comic relief and seems to act more as a vehicle for testing and showing off new animations than a character who deserves to take up screentime. This was one of the best characters in Shadowbringers and seeing him reduced to a running gag is just sad. His behavior is a problem. His mannerisms continue to push on the limits of my patience and I want nothing more than to tell him to get lost. I do not want him in my party anymore. I mentioned this before in a previous thread but if you are going to have a male character constantly be obsessed with the player character either give us the option to avoid his antics or at least let this obsession come from a character with a traditionally masculine look, without the memelike mannerisms. I would not care if someone like Aymeric flirted with my character for instance, or any of the other male characters in the game who look like men.

    Evolve these characters in meaningful ways or replace them with new party members. Do not follow WoW in having unkillable forever characters like Sylvanas who took over 20 years to exit the plot. The twitter fans you are trying to please with the Scions will move on to the next pretty face the moment they see it. They will happily adopt them as their new comfort characters and not only will they be satisfied, so too will those of us whose patience has been exhausted by the lack of stakes or development of the Scions.

    And no, Ultima Thule wasn’t stakes, that was a fakeout that a significant amount of us could see coming from a mile away. Please respect the intelligence and maturity level of your audience, it was just too predictable. Those of us who fell in love with this game in Heavensward sorely miss the writing style of that expansion, please consider bringing back that team who is believed to have worked on FFXVI back to FFXIV at the earliest convenience.


    The Void – the star of this patch.

    As I entered this patch, I was prepared for a slow start. Not 30 seconds into the patch, suddenly I find myself looking at an impressive vista of the void, with its swirling sky of lavender clouds and beautifully ornate ruins. My first thoughts on seeing this were: “I want to go here *now!*” I was truly impressed, and thankful that I have something concrete to look forward to in the future in wake of my other disappointments with the recent writing. Forget Ishgard, I want housing on the 13th. Whoever designed this area along with Pandaemonium’s castle has my respect and admiration. While I am saddened by the shelving of Garlemald, the 13th shard gives me a new area to be invested in.

    A hauntingly beautiful dark fantasy world, whose denizens I have a degree of sympathy for, given the history of the 13th shard. Talk of the void would not be complete without mentioning Golbez, I am so glad to see him in FFXIV at last. Regardless of whether he stays on for the MSQ or is just for the upcoming trial series, his presence is a welcome one. Introducing more humanoid characters to the void will provide a suitable basis for stories told in its setting. I would however strongly caution against using the meme/slice of life moments we’ve been seeing lately in the MSQ in the void, that stuff hardly has a place on the Source let alone the 13th.

    Though we have seen ruins of some kind of temple along with Golbez’s throne, the close up of the floating island area where various Gargoyles and Kindred congregated during Y’shtola’s explanation was largely incomplete and lacking in detail. Even if not truly alive, to make the void more visually appealing, structures such as grass and trees should be added. Any remaining settlements I naturally imagine would take after the ruins showcased in the MSQ along with places like Dun Scaith.

    Again, this was the highlight of the patch for me and now serves as the hook that keeps me attached to this story after having lost Garlemald to the United States of Final Fantasy trend and the conclusion of the Ancients’ storyline. I am especially intrigued by Zenos’ voidsent given that it seems the model has been touched up somewhat and eyes have been added in. For those who may not have played FFXIII, the hands over the creature’s eyes are very reminiscent of Cie’th. To summarize, Cie’th are essentially people who fail the focus (mission) given to them by the gods (Fal’Cie), whose bodies become twisted by crystals, or in this case by the void’s taint. I can only hope that this voidsent proves to have more of a personality than Zenos and more goals beyond simply forcing a confrontation with the player character at all costs, which made for long drawn-out periods of buildup with Zenos that led to nowhere.
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    I still find Garlemald to have the best nuance and better writing on the 6.x story.

    The decision to abandon Garlemald in 6.0 was a pragmatic one, and Fourchenault even admits here that it was something the Forum was torn on doing until the Scions made it moot. Further, this Garlemald is a different one, even from the one explored at Level 83. At that time, even the common folk were holding out hope that Varis and/or their military leaders would come back, drive out the "savages" and put things right. There is practically no military or noble class remaining. Only desperate people. The moral grayness is gone -- now, it comes to either helping desperate people in need, or not.

    I mentioned this before in a previous thread but if you are going to have a male character constantly be obsessed with the player character either give us the option to avoid his antics or at least let this obsession come from a character with a traditionally masculine look, without the memelike mannerisms. I would not care if someone like Aymeric flirted with my character for instance, or any of the other male characters in the game who look like men.
    This seems kind of like an arbitrary standard. Aymeric is so pretty and smooth that he looks like he's wearing mascara.

    It seems less likely G'raha would have his gender mistaken than Aymeric, so if we're going by "characters who look like men", we might as well go with Rammbroes.
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    Having no surviving members of the royal family or noble class, or even giving a name or face to any senators of the new provisional government demonstrated a complete lack of care and interest. I'm supposed to believe that the final role quest was the result of hard work? Hard work at trying to further moralize I suppose, or perhaps hard work in the sense that it was hastily finished before the deadline.

    Aymeric does not wear hair pins in his hair like an elementary school girl, like Lucy from the Chronicles of Narnia. His face is what you'd expect of a male elf and his hair is short and wavy. He was designed as a "tragic prince" and his mannerisms don't creep me out. Plain and simple. G'raha Tia needs to man up or get a makeover or something. I don't feel the need to elaborate further on this. Aymeric, Hien, even Rammbroes I would rather put up with than G'raha Tia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Aymeric does not wear hair pins in his hair like an elementary school girl, like Lucy from the Chronicles of Narnia. His face is what you'd expect of a male elf and his hair is short and wavy.
    Ah yes hair "pins" (more like bands, actually). The final arbitration of what determines masculinity and femininity.

    And you are correct: Aymeric's face IS what you expect of a male elf. Aka, prettier than most women.
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    Alright I'm putting an end to this tangent here and now-there is a clear difference between the Elven knight and catboy with a downright bizarre appearance and creepy mannerisms. One thing is a "pretty boy" another thing is whatever G'raha Tia is supposed to be. You can still be "pretty" and have a masculine attitude and mannerisms like Aymeric does. He is a serious character, G'raha Tia is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Alright I'm putting an end to this tangent here and now-there is a clear difference between the Elven knight and catboy with a downright bizarre appearance and creepy mannerisms. One thing is a "pretty boy" another thing is whatever G'raha Tia is supposed to be. You can still be "pretty" and have a masculine attitude and mannerisms like Aymeric does. He is a serious character, G'raha Tia is not.
    Do what you gotta do, but I'm still going to point out that your arbitrary tastes in men and what's masculine are arbitrary.

    I get it, you have a burning hatred for G'raha Tia. You're welcome to your opinion.
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    Garlemald's future makes sense, the overall MSQ was very well done and the characters showed themselves well after just saving all existence and finally we see more about the 13th. Now, when can I get an Eikon vs Voidsent a la Meracydia vs Allag?
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    What defines a masculine attitude, I wonder. Stoicism isn't masculine, it's just a personality trait that people across the board share, so idk where the line is for masculine and feminine characters.

    I find that G'raha's character is much more in line with his 2.x character. The G'raha we saw in ShB was a centenarian with responsibilities to a city-state of people holding onto small threads of hope. He was disillusioned, worn down, and serious out of a NEED to be serious (and still, the hints to his old self were there - heck one of his "final" requests to you was to go on adventures with you.) The G'raha we see now is what comes from merging those two together. He doesn't have nearly the same responsibilities as in ShB, so why should he act like he does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    I find that G'raha's character is much more in line with his 2.x character. The G'raha we saw in ShB was a centenarian with responsibilities to a city-state of people holding onto small threads of hope. He was disillusioned, worn down, and serious out of a NEED to be serious (and still, the hints to his old self were there - heck one of his "final" requests to you was to go on adventures with you.) The G'raha we see now is what comes from merging those two together. He doesn't have nearly the same responsibilities as in ShB, so why should he act like he does?
    The old man was more tolerable and less grating than the childlike G'raha Tia. The more he is pushed onto the player character the less patience I have for him, let alone the other scions. He already had his adventure with us during the final days, during which he barely did much of anything. This isn't a character who I believe will be able to grow in any meaningful ways moving forward.

    Not as long as they intend on treating him like a joke and giving him plot armor so thick that not even the end of the world could put a dent in it. His sole remaining purpose is to serve as a plushie, comfort character and as long as he remains in this role then nothing of substance can come from him. There are no consequences for his actions, he has no other goals besides following us around and gushing over us every other scene. This is not conducive to good storytelling and it is best for his character to exit the plot than to continue consuming screentime doing nothing.
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 04-15-2022 at 09:45 AM.
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    We're really needling in on OPs thoughts on what is masculine rather than the critiques of the story, huh? Okay then.
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