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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    THERE IT IS FOLKS PLAIN AS COULD BE. It's that the Scions don't have goals, it's the fact this guy doesn't deem them worthy enough.

    So I take it the goals have to do with you the WoL to be acceptable to you...yet you crap on Graha for being close. You're one of those people that can never be pleased, I see that now
    Someone got salty .... I don't like Graha Tia too and what now? He is like Zenos 2.0 if not even worse, cause he is not the foe and we have to do Stuff with him.
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    Someone call the Forum Police! Because I wrote passive aggressively that DT looks not good. Oh how right I was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
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    The mild-queerphobia that I quote is more about the part that you find his appearance strange and off-putting by default, rather than about how you react to his hero worship.

    And I disagree wholeheartedly that an hereditary ruling class and empire/kingdoms being absolute for fantasy, especially Final Fantasy. You often talk about medieval-ish fantasy as a monolith but ignore that you're talking about western medieval fantasy (mostly French/Spanish/British in origin). Further still, most locations in Final Fantasy XIV are not "goodie goodie democratic [governments]" as you claim is the norm. Even among the starting cities you find boring... aren't that. There's the pirate-like thalassocracy of Limsa Lominsa, the oligarchic theocracy of Gridania, the puppet hereditary monarchy and its monetarist rulers of Ul'dah. And outside of that, only in Eorzea mind, you have the nomadic tribes of Paglth'an who hold council often in times of war, the matriarchal hereditary ruling class of the four chieftains of Xelphatol, the theocracy and structured caste system of O'Ghomoro, the non-hereditary monarchy of the Indigo Deep sahagin, the... autonomous collectives of the twelveswood sylphs and moogles, the "free nation" of Idyllshire, the hereditary monarchic clans of Ok'Gundu, Ok'Zundu and Ok'Vundu, the hivemind of Loth ast Gnath and the guild collective of Loth ast Vath and indeed, the representative democracy of Ishgard and the loose republic of Ala Mhigo.

    Outside of that, besides the Garlean provinces we have no knowledge of, Garlemald and the Garlean Empire itself had a senate despite being a hereditary monarchic empire, Doma is and was a hereditary monarchy, Hinganshi is an isolationist shogunate, Dalmasca has hopes of regaining it's kingdom status, Bozja and its supposed meritocracy, Radz-at-Han and its sham hereditary monarchy, really an autocratic satrapy with no hereditary component, and whatever the heck Werlyt is.

    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
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    ... The Students of Baldesion is a research institution named after its founder, Galuf Baldesion, not an actual student body. It's more akin to an independent research group that owned land and conducted experiments and such. Their thing was that they were studying the Echo and other aetheric matters. It's not a "university club"... It's why they take requests for surveys and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC View Post
    snip.
    I'm not going to bother responding to the first part of your post because it is little more than an attempt to paint me as something that I am not, moving on.

    The pirates of pirate land aren't allowed to do pirate things anymore, the forest nuns in Gridania are boring and literally don't do anything, and Ul'dah was intriguing until it simply wasn't. Are you seriously bringing up Paglth'an, a dungeon we will never visit again? It's going to take a lot more than that to keep my interest. The beast tribes have nothing left of value now that they no longer do the beast tribe thing of summoning primals every now and then.

    Dalmasca's plot was finished on a note, the writers don't seem to want to do anything in the far east for the time being, and at present I only tolerate Radz-at-Han/Thavnair because of Vrtra. I cannot wait to bounce off the Source where nothing is happening and every nation just stoically nods and agrees with each other, much like our currently bland cast.

    Thank you for the lore exposition on the Students of Baldesion but I'm not interested in being a researcher, I'm interested in fighting things and exploring. Adventurer, Warrior of Light, even Scion as much as I despise being associated with them are all leagues better than being called "the Student." Goodness. They can go play with their aether devices without my involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aneshda View Post
    Someone got salty .... I don't like Graha Tia too and what now? He is like Zenos 2.0 if not even worse, cause he is not the foe and we have to do Stuff with him.
    Not salty at all. That adjective would probably fit you better as it seems a nerve was struck prompting you to say this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Not salty at all. That adjective would probably fit you better as it seems a nerve was struck prompting you to say this.
    That's why you wrote all in extra big? hmm...
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    Someone call the Forum Police! Because I wrote passive aggressively that DT looks not good. Oh how right I was!

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    "Anything that doesn't interest me personally is objectively terrible." /thread

    I'm not gonna pretend the story is some flawless masterpiece, but when your objections all boil down to just not liking it, and you reply aggressively to every attempt to discuss anything, you only hurt your own side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aneshda View Post
    That's why you wrote all in extra big? hmm...
    It's called emphasis. The point was to mimic an announcer xD Youre for getting the wrong read from that
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    Aveyond's wording has maybe been a bit clumsy, but I have to agree with (what I think is) his core point. There is no option to get G'raha to tone it down a notch, and for people who just aren't that into the character the hero worship does nothing to endear him to them.

    It has been some time since the end of Shadowbringers and everyone returning to the Source, enough time to do all of Endwalker together, I sort of got it at first but he really should have chilled out a bit by now.
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