New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[aveyond-dreams]

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I agree with some of the things in your post. I had little, if any confidence that they could somehow do a beast race in this game. They did, and did it badly. Given the overwhelming preference of FFXIV's target population favoring attractive, anime-beauty standards for lack of a better description, both genders of Viera was objectively the correct choice to add rather than chasing after niche things only to do them badly.

It is said that during the fanfest when Hrothgar were revealed that the audience booed the stage. Now in 2022, everyone is collectively upset at how poorly done these new hairstyles are, nevermind that they are coming 3 years too late. Should Hrothgar players be receiving more than they currently are getting? Absolutely. But should Hrothgar have been implemented as a gender-locked, limited race at the cost of taking male Viera's spot back then? Absolutely not.

I'm not interested in entertaining conversations about what race was decided to be included first whether it was Hrothgar or Viera, what is clear is that from concept artists to 3d modelers that there is clear bias in favor of Viera. They may have decided to add Hrothgar in Stormblood, but it was Viera who was nearly added back in Heavensward. Male Viera are also the result of individual passion that was likely shared with fans-they took everything from the first post of that thread and made it reality.

Viera are the result of what these concept artists and modelers wanted to do.

Hrothgar are the result of what these concept artists and modelers were instructed to do.

However, I cannot stress this enough, there were so many people who shunned the supporters of causes like male Viera/female Hrothgar all while arguing with others to "just be patient!" in terms of waiting on new hairstyles and hat options. It is your responsibility as a customer to keep the producer of a product in check, and not argue against people who feel as if they were given an inferior product. This situation could have been avoided early on if the playerbase had made it clear that limited races with hardly any hair or hat options wasn't acceptable, and this is the result of what happens when things like that are let to slide.

[Vahlnir]

However, I cannot stress this enough, there were so many people who shunned the supporters of causes like male Viera/female Hrothgar all while arguing with others to "just be patient!" in terms of waiting on new hairstyles and hat options. It is your responsibility as a customer to keep the producer of a product in check, and not argue against people who feel as if they were given an inferior product. This situation could have been avoided early on if the playerbase had made it clear that limited races with hardly any hair or hat options wasn't acceptable, and this is the result of what happens when things like that are let to slide.

A large part of it was that they had been running on player faith since ARR, so when they were told "we got you, don't worry" in regards to the hair and headwear additions both coming at a later time, people believed them. And I don't think it was unreasonable to expect them (at that point in time) to follow through on their promises. But they did not. So, here we are. What happens when that faith has been shattered? Customers get angry. And they should be!

[aveyond-dreams]

A large part of it was that they had been running on player faith since ARR, so when they were told "we got you, don't worry" in regards to the hair and headwear additions both coming at a later time, people believed them. And I don't think it was unreasonable to expect them (at that point in time) to follow through on their promises. But they did not. So, here we are.

In my case, I remember seeing bad signs that wore on my faith ever since the abysmal implementation of Eureka, that and the huge controversy at the time that Blue Mage launched as a limited job and the playerbase allowed for that word to enter and even be used in their vocabulary, when it never should have been. I remember that they somehow thought that releasing Baldesion Arsenal with its convoluted method of entry was also ok at the time-thank goodness Bozja, while imperfect, is nowhere near as bad as that was.

No amount of promises could hold up to the stacking evidence that I saw mounting up at the time, in any case it seems I was correct to be suspicious of the situation. There is no excuse for Hrothgar to be in the state that they are in now, and while Viera have had great strides they are still missing various hair options, saying nothing of how little hats work on them.

And supposedly the excuse for all this is clipping. Enough already, we do not care about clipping. We never did.

[Vahlnir]

In my case, I remember seeing bad signs that wore on my faith ever since the abysmal implementation of Eureka, that and the huge controversy at the time that Blue Mage launched as a limited job and the playerbase allowed for that word to enter and even be used in their vocabulary, when it never should have been. I remember that they somehow thought that releasing Baldesion Arsenal with its convoluted method of entry was also ok at the time-thank goodness Bozja, while imperfect, is nowhere near as bad as that was.

No amount of promises could hold up to the stacking evidence that I saw mounting up at the time, in any case it seems I was correct to be suspicious of the situation. There is no excuse for Hrothgar to be in the state that they are in now, and while Viera have had great strides they are still missing various hair options, saying nothing of how little hats work on them.

And supposedly the excuse for all this is clipping. Enough already, we do not care about clipping. We never did.

While I questioned those things, and made my dissatisfaction known, perhaps I didn't realize where things were headed.

[Denji]

I agree with some of the things in your post. I had little, if any confidence that they could somehow do a beast race in this game. They did, and did it badly. Given the overwhelming preference of FFXIV's target population favoring attractive, anime-beauty standards for lack of a better description, both genders of Viera was objectively the correct choice to add rather than chasing after niche things only to do them badly.

It is said that during the fanfest when Hrothgar were revealed that the audience booed the stage. Now in 2022, everyone is collectively upset at how poorly done these new hairstyles are, nevermind that they are coming 3 years too late. Should Hrothgar players be receiving more than they currently are getting? Absolutely. But should Hrothgar have been implemented as a gender-locked, limited race at the cost of taking male Viera's spot back then? Absolutely not.

I'm not interested in entertaining conversations about what race was decided to be included first whether it was Hrothgar or Viera, what is clear is that from concept artists to 3d modelers that there is clear bias in favor of Viera. They may have decided to add Hrothgar in Stormblood, but it was Viera who was nearly added back in Heavensward. Male Viera are also the result of individual passion that was likely shared with fans-they took everything from the first post of that thread and made it reality.

Viera are the result of what these concept artists and modelers wanted to do.

Hrothgar are the result of what these concept artists and modelers were instructed to do.

However, I cannot stress this enough, there were so many people who shunned the supporters of causes like male Viera/female Hrothgar all while arguing with others to "just be patient!" in terms of waiting on new hairstyles and hat options. It is your responsibility as a customer to keep the producer of a product in check, and not argue against people who feel as if they were given an inferior product. This situation could have been avoided early on if the playerbase had made it clear that limited races with hardly any hair or hat options wasn't acceptable, and this is the result of what happens when things like that are let to slide.

people booed because nobody liked stormblood and the player base at the time were a collection of mai waifu nerds who only played ffxiv because it was cuter than wow and gw2. all anyone did was talk about how much they hated male roes and the (english) community mostly consisted of a million cat girls played by dudes who at the time still thought "i play a girl because don't want to stare at a man's ass all day" was peak humour. they were out for blood over just lyse alone.

it wasn't until shb and the free trial push that the community branched out and i started seeing a larger variety of people. for once it wasn't just 2.2 roe per sq malm.

[Allegor]

people booed because nobody liked stormblood and the player base at the time were a collection of mai waifu nerds who only played ffxiv because it was cuter than wow and gw2. all anyone did was talk about how much they hated male roes and the (english) community mostly consisted of a million cat girls played by dudes who at the time still thought "i play a girl because don't want to stare at a man's ass all day" was peak humour. they were out for blood over just lyse alone.

it wasn't until shb and the free trial push that the community branched out and i started seeing a larger variety of people. for once it wasn't just 2.2 roe per sq malm.

I've been seeing a lot more femroes the past few months, wouldn't surprise me many of them come from you-know-which-game.

[Midareyukki]

It is said that during the fanfest when Hrothgar were revealed that the audience booed the stage. Now in 2022, everyone is collectively upset at how poorly done these new hairstyles are, nevermind that they are coming 3 years too late. Should Hrothgar players be receiving more than they currently are getting? Absolutely. But should Hrothgar have been implemented as a gender-locked, limited race at the cost of taking male Viera's spot back then? Absolutely not.

I'm not interested in entertaining conversations about what race was decided to be included first whether it was Hrothgar or Viera, what is clear is that from concept artists to 3d modelers that there is clear bias in favor of Viera. They may have decided to add Hrothgar in Stormblood, but it was Viera who was nearly added back in Heavensward. Male Viera are also the result of individual passion that was likely shared with fans-they took everything from the first post of that thread and made it reality.

Adding to what Denji said above, but people booed because they wanted Male Viera.

That was all. They booed because Square only announced Female Viera, nothing else, then we spent a good while speculating what came next (with a french translation leaking Hrothgar on accident), and then fans were met with that.

Having been a Roe myself a the time, I agree with Denji. There was A LOT of disdain toward Roegadyn, and there still is. ESPECIALLY from Miqo'te players, as far as I have witnessed. But it was also because it wasn't a male counterpart to Viera, but instead a furry race. Then came the accusations that Male Viera don't exist because of Hrothgar, that Viera don't have hairstyles or headgear because Hrothgar were made. When in truth, Yoshida wanted to make Hrothgars way before and had experimented with such with the Lupine race. Something people are irritatingly quick to forget.

And something you say you don't want to discuss. But there's no discussing it when not only is it the truth, it's also brought up a lot of bile from you all. Unjustified and unwarranted bile.

True. 2% of the playerbase doesn't necessarily mean that the sentiment has grown any fonder. But I like to think it did, not just because of how Hrothgar players usually are in communities, but also from the devs making interesting NPCs that people enjoy. Specifically Runar. Regardless? The sheer support that Hrothgars are having over this topic should be enough evidence for Square to at least reconsider.

Edit: I just realized you whined that "B-But they had Viera designs before". No, they had Viera designs SINCE TACTICS ADVANCE. What they wanted was a Bestial race. And they did touch on the Vieras, hence the concept art. But you didn't even bother to stop and wonder why they didn't approve it back then. The answer? BECAUSE YOSHIDA WANTED A BESTIAL RACE. Just look at the original drafts for Au Ra. THAT'S what he wanted, and THAT'S why he discarded Viera. Don't even try, mate. You can't say "Oh they wanted Viera" when they clearly entertained the thought for one minute and then threw it in the trash. The only reason you're playing the character you're playing is specifically because people demanded it. The devs have no love for you, they only care about what brought them attention and money. And your race was what would make people open their wallets for.

No wonder you don't want to talk about it when you hallucinate half-truths like that.