Tank healing is to high

[AnotherPerson]

Yeam man I get taht, and trust me I understand, despite being a tank main now I was healer main before EW. For me though, it was pretty rare that things got too boring. I was AST healer main before.
My playstyle is not with statics of any kind and very rarely have I ever been bored to tears playing healer. Usually somebody make mistakes and require special attention.

The plight of the healer is boredom when everyone plays perfectly. Like you said thats a healer problem not a tank problem. I don't really want to get into it, but if you tempt healers with dps anymore than they already are.. well lets just say they are already dereliction of duty in some cases..

Tempt healer DPS? Dereliction of duty? And how is that a problem? You already have tanks who don't mitigate when they focus too much on their DPS rotation or neglect their mitigation entirely until a boss fight. You already have DPS who don't dodge mechanics when they focus oo much on their DPS rotation. You already have healers who sometimes forget to look at everyone's HP bars because they fall asleep pressing the single same button over and over again. You already have healers who make a mistake, fail the mechanic, and die. Other roles work to cover for that mistake by using their mitigation, healing, or raising utility in response. Players make mistakes, and they will learn from them. A healer is prone to error just like the rest of the players until they are familiar with the fight encounter and familiar with their job's skills to play it by muscle memory. This is nothing new.

Just because there are worse players in a role, it doesn't mean the whole role should be dragged down because of them. If these players are such a big problem, then SE should get rid of all the tank DPS skills and remove all interactive DPS toolkits just so the tanks and DPS can "focus on the fight" instead of not mitigating properly and dying. Taking damage from avoidable mechanics is never part of their job description. Wiping the party by falling the mechanic and causing everyone in the group to die was never part of their job description.

The reason those DPS skills aren't removed is because tanks and DPS will be boring otherwise. Who wants to sit and wait every 10+ seconds until the boss attacks, knowing that they're not going to do need to react or move until 7+ seconds later while mindlessly spamming the same button as they wait? No, that's why DPS and tanks have their own DPS resource skills to build up in the meantime. That's the added layer of complexity which results in fun when the player gets it right.

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

Yeah I don’t really care if healers get more dps buttons and forget to heal, not usually my problem anymore. (Thankfully)
Now it’s usually the rest of the group eating dirt cause due to a double warm glow that the sage wasn’t prepared for.

I guess my point is, temp healer dps rotation with a burst window or a combo and it’d be tempting to not stop their rotation and heal the raid damage.
Unfortunately even though dereliction of duty is a user error, square will usually design around potato heads.

AST cards for example. Sign and card optimization is the least important thing an AST could focus on. For non-potato heads there’s no problem. Just don’t concern yourself with signs/cardfaces unless there’s nothing else to process. And then when things are boring you can focus on yugio getting your royal flush.
But no! AST too busy!
The fact that square still thinks AST is too busy in EW should dash any hopes that healers won’t be boring when group plays well.
But again I don’t care if healers get more dps buttons as long as tanks don’t get nerfed.

[HyperiusUltima]

Welp. HERE WE ARE. PLD got heals attached to their Confiteor Combo. As if we didn't need MORE healing for PLD in particular...this just creates a higher stigma for the "Tanks are healing too much" argument. It goes from 4 healing Attacks to 8, but doesn't put them on level with WAR's healing yet. DRK getting healing attached to their LD helps alleviate healers, which is a much needed fix. This basically makes it so that you don't die in packs as much as you used to in dungeons, and makes you basically top off during raids for PLD.

[Absimiliard]

Man, I love it. People cry about tanks having their own sustain, and SE proceeds to bump PLD's self-healing up to WAR levels. ...Well, on single target. I'd say it's safe to assume WAR still wins hands down on AoE because of the way Bloodwhetting works. The LD change is equally hilarious, although it's probably going to create as many problems as it addressed.

Why be salty over tanks not needing much healing? The DPS still do.

[Gullis]

Why be salty over tanks not needing much healing? The DPS still do.

one regen ogcd or gcd, every time there is a scripted boss aoe isnt really much healing needed

[HyonaCookie]

"Tank healing is too high" feels like an argument that means nothing anymore. This is why I'm in favour of making healers more like PvP kits, making them more utility oriented and their healing being a limited resource. The devs said they wanted PvP to feel like healers aren't needed, but currently PvE barely feels like healers are needed.

[IdowhatIwant]

Man, I love it. People cry about tanks having their own sustain, and SE proceeds to bump PLD's self-healing up to WAR levels. ...Well, on single target. I'd say it's safe to assume WAR still wins hands down on AoE because of the way Bloodwhetting works. The LD change is equally hilarious, although it's probably going to create as many problems as it addressed.

Why be salty over tanks not needing much healing? The DPS still do.

I don't think people are salty, I think people think it is stupid. Cause it is pretty stupid and goes against Yoshi P role ideology 10 fold, which was healers are meant to heal not dps. Not to mention with all the added healing to PLD it makes there less of a purpose to even have clemancy (which no one used). I get tanks having a bit of sustain, but being capable of full sustain through out a dungeon or even some end game content it very bad design.

[ThorneDynasty]

I don't think people are salty, I think people think it is stupid. Cause it is pretty stupid and goes against Yoshi P role ideology 10 fold, which was healers are meant to heal not dps. Not to mention with all the added healing to PLD it makes there less of a purpose to even have clemancy (which no one used). I get tanks having a bit of sustain, but being capable of full sustain through out a dungeon or even some end game content it very bad design.

Clemency is and has always been an emergency tool, and it's far better for it now that it doesn't break combos. Not everything has to be in standard rotation.

[ASkellington]

Clemency is and has always been an emergency tool, and it's far better for it now that it doesn't break combos. Not everything has to be in standard rotation.

The problem has never been Clemency or that tanks have healing tools. The problem is that encounter design doesn't take into account that tanks have healing tools (and so do some dps outside of SW) and so does an entire role called "Healer".

Content design does not match healer toolkits. So either it should or so should the healer's kit. That has always been the problem and until SE wakes up an address it, it WILL ALWAYS BE the problem.

[ThorneDynasty]

The problem has never been Clemency or that tanks have healing tools. The problem is that encounter design doesn't take into account that tanks have healing tools (and so do some dps outside of SW) and so does an entire role called "Healer".

Content design does not match healer toolkits. So either it should or so should the healer's kit. That has always been the problem and until SE wakes up an address it, it WILL ALWAYS BE the problem.

Clemency is the least anti-healer-synergy tank heal though, as 99% of the time you should not be using it as long as the healer isn't KO'd. It is a very powerful tool in clutch situations, but it does not step on healer toes in your average runs.

And yeah, I agree the healer design vs. encounter design is the most glaring flaw in the game.