If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[Felis-Silvertis]

FFXIV was never really designed to be hardcore competitive, complex game. Even the 1.0 was, while grindy and tedious, fairly straightforward in its combat gameplay.
On my server (Faerie), majority of people play the game as a single player RPG and only use the MMO aspects for socializing and fun group activities, rather than to accomplish challenging goals, and it feels at least, that the sizeable chunck of the population plays this way (as much as some people wish it wasn't so).
So while personally I wouldn't necessarily object to a more complex gameplay, I would be concerned that by doing so we will lose more than we will gain.

[KayRadley]

FFXIV was never really designed to be hardcore competitive, complex game. Even the 1.0 was, while grindy and tedious, fairly straightforward in its combat gameplay.
On my server (Faerie), majority of people play the game as a single player RPG and only use the MMO aspects for socializing and fun group activities, rather than to accomplish challenging goals, and it feels at least, that the sizeable chunck of the population plays this way (as much as some people wish it wasn't so).
So while personally I wouldn't necessarily object to a more complex gameplay, I would be concerned that by doing so we will lose more than we will gain.

This, this, a thousand times this. If you want to play a game that is super-duper-complex, play FFXI.

[Roflcopter]

This, this, a thousand times this. If you want to play a game that is super-duper-complex, play FFXI.

The same guys think WoW is hardcore when it was designed to be extremely casual in the age of insane grindy hellish mmos. Before that we had 10-12 hour raids where you competed with other guilds along with a boss that required 70 players to kill.

[MagicalChase]

The same guys think WoW is hardcore when it was designed to be extremely casual in the age of insane grindy hellish mmos. Before that we had 10-12 hour raids where you competed with other guilds along with a boss that required 70 players to kill.

You see tons of FFXIV players literally have only played FFXIV as their only MMO. They think people who don't want the main game to be a pointless game with no obstacles want the game to be fucking Dark Ultimate Souls DX: Prepare to be killed edition when in reality most people are just asking for the midcore crowd to not get the shaft and for normal content to be engaging.

[Felis-Silvertis]

The same guys think WoW is hardcore when it was designed to be extremely casual in the age of insane grindy hellish mmos. Before that we had 10-12 hour raids where you competed with other guilds along with a boss that required 70 players to kill.

It was casual in its time, sure. But times change. Today you have many more things vying for your attention than in 2004 and your time is more valuable than it was in 2004. So by today's standard vanilla WOW is hardcore and grindy.

[Lauront]

This, this, a thousand times this. If you want to play a game that is super-duper-complex, play FFXI.

Is this another variation of the same braindead "if you want Dark Souls" strawman?

[KayRadley]

Is this another variation of the same braindead "if you want Dark Souls" strawman?

I never said anything about Dark Souls. If you're gonna put something in my mouth, make it food, not words.

[Lauront]

I never said anything about Dark Souls. If you're gonna put something in my mouth, make it food, not words.

How about something to stimulate reading comprehension?

[KayRadley]

How about something to stimulate reading comprehension?

How about not putting bloody words in my mouth and strawmanning?

[Theodric]

How about not putting bloody words in my mouth and strawmanning?

He's not engaging in either activity.