If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[Kewitt]

I'm here for the story and friends I've made. The gameplay is only 1/2 of the battle for me.

[Souljacker]

FFXIV seems to be doing just fine. I gotta say, the latest changes have made me come back and level another character. I mean another character, on another server, not just another job. Thats one more sub they wouldn't have gotten if they had just rammed another super-twitchy ultimate through.

You know, not everyone has to cater to the hard core. Sometimes, those of us who want a fun experience will also drop some dollars on that. And that's okay. I don't begrudge you your experience.. but don't begrudge me mine.

Let your challenge be in the battles, not in the buttons.

[anhaato]

FFXIV seems to be doing just fine. I gotta say, the latest changes have made me come back and level another character. I mean another character, on another server, not just another job. Thats one more sub they wouldn't have gotten if they had just rammed another super-twitchy ultimate through.

You know, not everyone has to cater to the hard core. Sometimes, those of us who want a fun experience will also drop some dollars on that. And that's okay. I don't begrudge you your experience.. but don't begrudge me mine.

Let your challenge be in the battles, not in the buttons.

No, I think I will begrudge you yours. People like you who combat requests for job complexity by reducing it to "muh buttons" are the reason every job is braindead. EVERY job. Every job at this point behaves similarly and has an extremely static rotation, or none at all. If they want to split jobs with some of them being more difficult than others then it'll still suck for those of us who want to actually think while we play, but it won't be THAT bad because then at least we have something for us. But right now, we don't, so it's no longer as simple as that. And your comment about the challenge being in the battles doesn't work the way you think it does. I will remind you that savage is something you only do once a week, meanwhile dailies are composed entirely of content that gets facerolled and is pure tedium for people who aren't challenged by """expert""" dungeons. Why should we "hardcore" players not have more repeatable content for us? It wouldn't detract from your content! The game wouldn't be truly dumbed down if they were simply expanding content options in both directions, the problem is that it's only going in the direction of casuals now.

If you're going to come in here and say "I know the game got more simple over time and it's no longer the game you enjoy, but I enjoy it so stop complaining" then you can't claim you "don't begrudge us our experience" that's not how it works. All you're doing is saying that we don't deserve to have content we enjoy as long as you can get yours, how is that not begrudging our experience?

[Nizzi]

Let your challenge be in the battles, not in the buttons.

Cool, the "challenge" is in the battles now, but we can't make the casual content too hard, so the solution is to go play Savage/Ultimate then if you don't find spamming 1 button over and over in all content as a healer enjoyable, right?
Do you not see how this type of thinking is incredibly exclusionary towards everyone? I don't have the time to dedicate to doing Savage or Ultimate in this game anymore, nor do I particularly want to slam my head against a wall for hours a night trying to get a clear. Should I just not be allowed to enjoy any of the battle content in this game because I don't think spamming 1-1-1-1-1-2-1-1 is the pinnacle of job design?

If we give jobs more depth, people are able to have fun with them in all content. If you make them boring, you force people to have to treat this game like a second job to get enjoyment out of the battle content. Because it's casual content, you'll be able to "free style" and "play my way" while I'm able to try and get better at my job and we can still clear because casual content isn't designed around doing top DPS and minmaxing your job. Why shouldn't I be allowed to have ONE job in this game that appeals to me on the role that appeals to me and I consistently play in every other game? There is 0 justification for why every healer is as boring, repetitive, and poorly designed as every one in this game is. If the only fun comes "playing with bad players" or "doing the fights day 1 when nobody knows the mechanics" that is embarrassingly bad design that punishes me for not playing this game all the time or right as patches come out.

Let people be able to have fun with their jobs having depth instead of trying to force them into playing content they don't want to play. "Just play Ultimate" or "do Savage" is an awful and condescending thing to say to a player when this playerbase consistently swoons over how "casual friendly" this game supposedly is. I'm sorry I don't have the time to do anything but roulettes anymore. I guess I don't deserve to have fun with this game at all, right?

[KizuyaKatogami]

FFXIV seems to be doing just fine. I gotta say, the latest changes have made me come back and level another character. I mean another character, on another server, not just another job. Thats one more sub they wouldn't have gotten if they had just rammed another super-twitchy ultimate through.

You know, not everyone has to cater to the hard core. Sometimes, those of us who want a fun experience will also drop some dollars on that. And that's okay. I don't begrudge you your experience.. but don't begrudge me mine.

Let your challenge be in the battles, not in the buttons.

Except for healers the buttons are supposed to be the challenge, because mechanic wise there isn’t much there. The mechanics for a healer are supposed to be healing but they aren’t so we’re left to press one button for 90% of a fight. There’s no defending it.