Machinist class is dead

[gamerseb]

If you enjoy the gameplay of a class, just play it and have fun. Why let numbers determine whether you're having fun playing or not?
Does having slightly higher numbers make the gameplay more fun?

Not that its wrong to complain or give feedback and want your class to get the same treatment as others. But wouldn't you be happier if you just stop worrying about the numbers and just play the class you enjoy to the best of your ability?

Sadly, it does.

When you do high-end content and fail, but would have succeeded if you had a different job - any job at all - playing your own class loses meaning. It just means everything else is 5 times harder for you than the rest, and your damage is lower than everyone else.

Stop saying that it's not a problem. Cause for players who do high-end content, it sure is. And for players who use party finder, it sure is, too.

Why do you think devs adjust numbers if they're "not important", if I should just "stop worrying about the numbers" and "play the class you enjoy to the best of your ability"?

[HolyReign]

I think saying it's, "5x Harder than the rest." is a bit of a stretch.

All FFXIV's content is able to be done, by any job, as long as those people know how to play their job, understand the mechanics and what their role is in the group, it's going to be fine.

Judging a job purely based on the numbers it provides to a group, and deeming it worthy of being in a static or not, just breeds an unhealthy atmosphere in the game where, unless your playing the, "Meta", you're not going to stand a chance to be part of it, unless you form your own groups.

[CKNovel]

All FFXIV's content is able to be done, by any job, as long as those people know how to play their job, understand the mechanics and what their role is in the group, it's going to be fine.

Judging a job purely based on the numbers it provides to a group, and deeming it worthy of being in a static or not, just breeds an unhealthy atmosphere in the game where, unless your playing the, "Meta", you're not going to stand a chance to be part of it, unless you form your own groups.

If we stick to that argument, then what's the problem with MCH having more DPS if "all job can clear and we shouldn't judge jobs based on numbers?"
In this present case, MCH is not only judged for its lack of numbers, but also lack of support.

[Gember]

Sadly, it does.

When you do high-end content and fail, but would have succeeded if you had a different job - any job at all - playing your own class loses meaning. It just means everything else is 5 times harder for you than the rest, and your damage is lower than everyone else.

Stop saying that it's not a problem. Cause for players who do high-end content, it sure is. And for players who use party finder, it sure is, too.

Why do you think devs adjust numbers if they're "not important", if I should just "stop worrying about the numbers" and "play the class you enjoy to the best of your ability"?

I dunno, phys range is always wanted in PF, and every job has beat every single piece of content. Its just meta gamer thoughts. You probably should think more about team comp than numbers. I rather have a skilled MCH than a player who barely knows their job because they swap for the meta. This game isn't that strict to choices.

[gamerseb]

I rather have a skilled MCH than a player who barely knows their job because they swap for the meta. This game isn't that strict to choices.

Then I'd rather choose a class that is actually competitive which I can become better on - ranged dps or whatever - and play that. Meta is part of the game for some players. BRD and DNC are wanted in PF. MCH are being frowned upon in high-level content - I've had several instances of this myself.

Let me rephrase what you said. I rather have a game where all classes can be somewhat competitive and bring damage to the group, with some differences. If you look at logs, the reality seems far from that. Not asking for an OP class - but let us at least be as good as our ranged peers.