New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[RyuDragnier]

Being a third class citizen is also why people don't want to play this race, it sucks and they should have never added Hrothgar, to begin with, if this is how they would treat it.
And what annoys me is the statement that cancelling our subscription over this is exaggerated, but think about it, people love and some even identify with their WOL, wouldn't such a player then be in the right to feel upset when they are being gaslighted and ignored for 3 years and then insulted with such a bad joke? And right after being treated with ignorance again? All the while when a certain item on the Mog station was changed in a few days when it was discovered that it made Au'Ra and Miquo'te tails disappear? It's blatant favouritism! And I am sorry (I am not actually sorry), but when you develop an MMO that has different races, you lost your favouritism privilege and have to treat everyone equally (And that is doubled in a subscription-based MMO).

The worst part of the treatment? They only added Viera because of fans begging for it since ARR. Hrothgar was something THEY wanted to add. But as we've seen, Viera apparently takes priority in every blasted field. At this point I've gone from being indifferent to Viera to hating their inclusion, as it's apparent at this point that Viera is the reason Hrothgar cannot get anything.

[Jason_Ashford]

The worst part of the treatment? They only added Viera because of fans begging for it since ARR. Hrothgar was something THEY wanted to add. But as we've seen, Viera apparently takes priority in every blasted field. At this point I've gone from being indifferent to Viera to hating their inclusion, as it's apparent at this point that Viera is the reason Hrothgar cannot get anything.

i wish this wasn't true, but it is. i genuinely have grown to hate viera as a race because it came about as a result of people having a conniption fit and sending death threats to the developers. Now Hrothgar is treated like an afterthought because the devs are so preoccupied with making sure the viera players dont have another god damn meltdown because they dont have their five billion shared hairstyles and several dozen unique racial hairstyles

[Raskbuck]

i wish this wasn't true, but it is. i genuinely have grown to hate viera as a race because it came about as a result of people having a conniption fit and sending death threats to the developers. Now Hrothgar is treated like an afterthought because the devs are so preoccupied with making sure the viera players dont have another god damn meltdown because they dont have their five billion shared hairstyles and several dozen unique racial hairstyles

Based. But when you try to bring that up, people say the petition/complaint threads are about "both" races. Except one of said races has gotten the preferential treatment over the last couple of years, but let's ignore that.

How dare you suggest Hrothgar need improvements without including Viera as well? /s

It really says a lot when the people in charge of the game introduced the Hrothgar hairstyles while laughing. I sure feel loved and appreciated.

[SherlottaEryut]

They only added Viera because of fans begging for it since ARR. But as we've seen, Viera apparently takes priority in every blasted field. At this point I've gone from being indifferent to Viera to hating their inclusion, as it's apparent at this point that Viera is the reason Hrothgar cannot get anything.

devs are so preoccupied with making sure the viera players dont have another god damn meltdown because they dont have their five billion shared hairstyles and several dozen unique racial hairstyles

Based. But when you try to bring that up, people say the petition/complaint threads are about "both" races. Except one of said races has gotten the preferential treatment over the last couple of years, but let's ignore that.

I don't know why you three are suddenly acting like it's the Viera's fault the developers are half-arsing the Hrothgar, this just feels like pure speculation. You can't generalize and blame the entire Viera player base and assume they are the reason for Hrothgar getting thrown to the back. Surely you can see this is SE's problem and only their problem, turning this situation into a 'this is all indirectly the Viera's fault' is pretty much just shifting the blame from the developers. We need SE to answer why they; a famous and well known company are struggling so much to change Hrothgar and improve the player's experience.

And yes, my complaint thread is for both of our races... Hence why Hrothgar is in the title of the thread, and is spoken about in the main post. I may have leaned more towards speaking from my perspective, but that's because I don't know what it's like to play a Hrothgar. Everyone understands that the Hrothgar situation is worse, but this does not disregard the fact that we were both brought in as half-arsed, limited races who cant wear headgear. No one is saying the Viera have it worse.

[Pip_Chick]

I don't know why you three are suddenly acting like it's the Viera's fault the developers are half-arsing the Hrothgar

I am sorry if you felt like this. I by no means put the blame on the Viera as a race. I thought I emphasized that in my comment. The thing that I was trying to point out is their poor choice made in making 2 playable races instead of one. I am by no means directing anything at players, cause it's not their fault this happened. What I put blame on was the Viera favouritism of the devs, even Viera players can agree that while yes, we both have limitations, Hrothgar has the worst of it. The fur textures look bad, their models look like a copy-paste of Roe with a hunch and furry mask, they need to use Fantasia to even change their hairstyles (still on hopium that I am making this up and it's not the case anymore), small pool of "hats". When Viera only has a small pool of Hairstyles and hats to choose from, they don't need to pay IRL money. I can't help but feel like if they didn't force themselves to make 2 races at once this problem wouldn't have happened. And you as a Viera player can give your thoughts from your experience and I as a Hrothgar player can only do the same from mine. And from my side it does feel like Hrothgar got shafted for Viera, their model looks better, their textures look better and they don't have to buy a Fantasia to go to the aesthetician. But I want to say again, I don't blame the players, I blame the devs. And I am sorry for upsetting you, it was not my intention.

[SherlottaEryut]

I am sorry if you felt like this.

Oh no I understand, my comment wasn't aimed at you.
And for the record, I'm not that fond of the XIV appearance of the Viera - I'd much prefer if they retained their more beast-like features in XII But design wise of Hrothgar, I do like it and it's always a pleasant surprise coming across one in a dungeon (because they're so damn rare)

One comment I'm struggling with was Raskbucks, I don't see how Viera got special treatment the past few years when we got just as much stuff as Hrothgar...? (Did we?)

[Pip_Chick]

What you guys said. I felt the same about Viera since day 1. I didn't like them (concept and design they were another pretty girl in the ocean of pretty girls) and was upset because I thought that they were the reason for all of Hrothgar's shortcomings. Having been pushed at the same time and from their design to their implementation it was clear about who the devs cared more.
But even with that, I don't resent the fact that they have been added. No, it's not Viera's fault it's the devs. They shot themselves in the foot by saying this would be the last race they will add. They could have simply said we can only add 1 race at a time. Pushed one first and waited until 7.0 to add the other race that they wanted to add in Shadowbringers (the order doesn't matter in this instance, cause they would have told the players that they will be coming). This way both groups would have been happy to receive well cared for complete models.
Even though deep inside I still am resentful about Viera, their addition made Hrothgar a poor mess that you apparently need a rocket science degree to fix, then Female Hrothgar got shafted for Male Viera. And before anyone says I want to point out that in the reveal for Male Viera they said that they weren't ready so that is why they were pushed back, only to say in the next live letter that they didn't even choose a design for them yet. I don't know about them but "they are not finished yet" =/= "didn't even start". Cause the design is literally what you choose in the first 2 to 3 weeks of work.

[Vahlnir]

And before anyone says I want to point out that in the reveal for Male Viera they said that they weren't ready so that is why they were pushed back, only to say in the next live letter that they didn't even choose a design for them yet. I don't know about them but "they are not finished yet" =/= "didn't even start". Cause the design is literally what you choose in the first 2 to 3 weeks of work.

It looks a lot better for them when they appear to be working on something they are revealing, even if they aren't. "We have no plan, but here they are" doesn't exactly hype people up. I'd have appreciated their honesty in regards to Hrothgar though, that way I couldn't be let down later. lol

[Soge01]

They could have simply said we can only add 1 race at a time. Pushed one first and waited until 7.0 to add the other race that they wanted to add in Shadowbringers (the order doesn't matter in this instance, cause they would have told the players that they will be coming). This way both groups would have been happy to receive well cared for complete models.

This. Yoshi-P jumped the gun trying to implement both races at the same time.

Now it'll probably take years for both races to be fully fixed and probably twice long for Hrothgar (particularly the male half) because he royally messed up on not just taking his time getting them both done one at a time.

Ignore the screeching masses and do what you gotta do, Yoshi-P! Don't rush too many things out at once, because this is the result.

Edit: Also, the FIRST thing he should have fixed with the Hrothgar hair was not adding existing hairstyles but just making the ones fixed to the individual faces usable by all the different face types without Fantasia. Easily could have avoided this whole troublesome situation if he did that...