If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[Faafetai]

It depends on the player. I find it fun to press 500 different buttons during combat. Some don't, and that's okay. The real problem is drastic job changes. I agree with OP: "Dumbing down existing jobs is not in any way acceptable, and is an insult to players who main those jobs. If you want to make something simple, then you need to create new jobs that are simple from the beginning." Summoner was my first main as a Sprout but now I fall alseep when I play it.

This is kind of how I felt about the BIG RED THIS IS A TANK BUSTER bull they just added. Like because I play a tank I am big dumb and need a huge telegraph to figure out the very easy this is tank buster this is aoe hit reprisal that is the mechanics for most dungeon bosses. It is even in savage. "SAVAGE". I know this could be helpful to a healer maybe, but when I play healer I know the tank busters from playing tank and reading the cast bar. I am unsure what made this a thing, but it was a small bit insulting. The devs think we are so dumb that we need a very obvious telegraph for something you literally figure out that was part of the fun for tanking for me. Now there is no mystery just wait for big red telegraph push button. Can't wait until they back port this to every dungeon so I see a bright you are dumb icon. There may be another reason for this and may be helpful to some. I am wondering if there is a way to disable it in the config somewhere. It is a spoiler for me and now the new dungeons will be predictable. It's like someone just gives me a puzzle but the answer is already filled in.

[DPZ2]

This is kind of how I felt about the BIG RED THIS IS A TANK BUSTER bull they just added. Like because I play a tank I am big dumb and need a huge telegraph to figure out the very easy this is tank buster this is aoe hit reprisal that is the mechanics for most dungeon bosses. It is even in savage

I pity you if you never engaged in raiding in World of Warcraft. To be clear, you might get a red 'tank buster' warning here, but you'll definitely get more than that in an instance on World of Warcraft because of an add-on called "DBM" which is a required add-on for those in the raiding tiers.

Player in FFXIV: OMG! Square Enix added a Telegraph! It's the end of the world!
Player in WoW: Don't bother raiding if you don't have DBM installed.

[Grann-Goro]

I pity you if you never engaged in raiding in World of Warcraft. To be clear, you might get a red 'tank buster' warning here, but you'll definitely get more than that in an instance on World of Warcraft because of an add-on called "DBM" which is a required add-on for those in the raiding tiers.

Player in FFXIV: OMG! Square Enix added a Telegraph! It's the end of the world!
Player in WoW: Don't bother raiding if you don't have DBM installed.

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

[RyuDragnier]

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

Yeah, if the raids are developed with a 3rd party program in mind being used...are they actually well designed to begin with?

[Acece]

To me, DBM is precilesy the reason why raiding in WoW is not good.

I feel like dbm also allows for preimtive healers to exist in wow with it's random nature in mind. Disc priest would be impossible to exist without dbm/bigwigs.

Yeah, if the raids are developed with a 3rd party program in mind being used...are they actually well designed to begin with?

I would say that wow raids are more diverse with mechanics rather then ffxiv spread, stack, and stand in a certain place or die extravaganza.

[RyuDragnier]

I would say that wow raids are more diverse with mechanics rather then ffxiv spread, stack, and stand in a certain place or die extravaganza.

But if they can't be done without a 3rd party program helping...then should they really be in the game?

[Acece]

But if they can't be done without a 3rd party program helping...then should they really be in the game?

I mean they can be, but it'll be more difficult. I consider dbm and such just part of the homework for raids, like watching guides or reading timelines if you're a healer. I only heroic raided for two tiers in shadowlands but I don't remember any mechanics needing dbm, though I used it cause I was a disc priest lol.