If you continue to dumb down the game, you will lose half your player base

[MiaShino]

Summoner was my first main as a Sprout but now I fall asleep when I play it.

Speaking of the falling asleep when playing.. it is really tough when someone will ask me should they play FF14. I must inform them that yes however you will be bored senselessly for one entire expansion and fifty levels though..

Especially for fricken healer oh my lawd. "Nope! You do not get aoe button until 45 and it is locked behind annoying quest for sub par gear." It.. feels bad having to say these things but tis the truth.

Maahhh, when do I inform them that 90% of their time playing will be walking somewhere then standing there then killing one enemy while other half is rouletting into low level synced content. Shooot... Good thing they are all enjoying the fun game buried beneath the nonsense and complexity offered by stumbling through learning their rotations! That is what I found most fun! But what will occur when even that is gone?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Wow, the people on the healer forum were right. The second a DPS job gets its kit pruned, a whole uproar happens in General Discussion. Not trying to create a divide, but it is funny how this works.

Seasoned healer mains when they see people crying about NIN/SAM upcoming adjustment:

Only BLMs gets to be awesome. Everything else must not have a gap between skill floor and skill ceiling! /s

[Faafetai]

Summoner's situation was given up on by enough people in 5.0 to warrant a rework that it should have received in Heavensward. There was no salvaging that mess, not with how much more prominent its glitches

I swore they said they removed the pet entirely because I know when I was playing smn ifit would go back and forth to me and the boss several times just doing a dance, and bahamut from stopping it's cast if you moved. When I was playing the new variant it keeps running back and forth to me and I can't pre place the pet or order it all now. At lower levels I have seen the carbucles/legos going back and forth when a target dies than runs in and disappears. There is also the very fun titan wiff as I like to call it where you summon titan or ifrit and instead of going in just wiffs his spell on one enemy hitting none of the others in a pull. This happens the worse when the pull is still on the move if your attacking while moving. I haven't played it much since the changes but when I did it just felt like the issues were still there but now I can't work around them or have any control over the situation. If you pre position your buncle/support doggo it means nothing when summoning anything because it just poofs and the summon comes from the body of the summoner instead of where the buncle was placed. It drives me up a wall, so I don't play smn much. I would be lying if I said I didn't miss the dots, but they had to remove them because the mean people were calling smn a dot mage.

[PaulH]

I miss my 6 odd dots, i miss pet control and i miss protect and stoneskin on my scholar. Lots of clicking or using controller and the feeling of being busy even if it is for the sake of it. I miss the stance dancing of the tanks and earning emnity and maintaining it, cross job interaction and even paladin flash. Things felt like they hit hard and titan HM was a challenge but seems so basic now but it wont be going back to that era for me sadly, but just my opinion.

Whilst I will continue to play I get that people get frustrated in gender locked issues, glam complaints etc we all have different things we want from the game it has certainly moved in different directions but I will stick it out to the end as its been a journey. As it goes to more single player mode I do worry if it could kill the game as I am not sure how the sub model would work and that worries me. But I have had 10 years of fun so the journey has been worth it for me and I hope it continues.

[GrizzlyTank]

I will never get button fetishists.

10 fingers, we got 10 fingers. And with mouse and keyboards half of those are already preoccupied managing the cursor/camera.

[AnnaUK]

I didn't leave WoW because of the pruning, it was the forced daily chores.. a list a long as my arm. System upon system, currency upon currency.

It stopped being fun.

Pruning is fine with me. It could also open the game up more to those with disabilities.

[GrizzlyTank]

I didn't leave WoW because of the pruning, it was the forced daily chores.. a list a long as my arm. System upon system, currency upon currency.

It stopped being fun.

Pretty much. Every patch there comes with a daily power grind that runs on a bit over one month cycle to unlock the most important things. It's simply being designed to be treated as a job rather than leisure if you want to participate in any of the challenging gameplay.

[Syln]

I also want to add to this that, just because someone doesn’t come here and post doesn’t mean that they are inherently satisfied. They could just be completely apathetic to the state of things at this point. Or maybe they couldn’t care less about what’s happening. Maybe they don’t have an opinion. Or maybe they truly are satisfied. All that said, you cannot take these silent bystanders and include them in this “majority versus minority” argument when you don’t even know their stance.

Was about to reply something along those lines.

[FoxyAreku]

Blizzard literally went on a raging simplification spree. Notably pruning and removing tons of abilities from each class and specializations in the name of "accessibility". Shortly after the game went downhill big time. Skill expression is today completely gone in WoW. Every class plays braindead 1-2-3 button smashing that literally dulls your brain as you play.

Neither here nor there, but I honestly wonder when was the last time you played WoW?

WoW classes for the most part are more complicated than FFXIV classes, as they function off priority systems instead of a static sequence of buttons, typically require you to pay more attention to the rotation on top of the boss mechanics-not even to mention how your rotation can change depending on what your character has access to. Only exception might be demon hunter, they have pretty few buttons, but even they aren't a '1 2 3' like say, FFXIV's Paladin or Warrior.

(Just my opinion though. Almost a 10 year raider in both games, btw.)

[MiaShino]

Pruning is fine with me. It could also open the game up more to those with disabilities.

Having been trying soooooo fricken hard not to comment towards the myriad of disability posts that keep appearing but no. Just.. no. I do not need be catered to because I derive satisfaction from succeeding despite issues I may or may not have.

Post after post everyone appears to suffer from some crippling disability lately. Not everyone with issues will feel the same, would find it insulting actually. Partner stated biiiiiig difference between providing wheelchair ramp and banning stairs because some people cannot walk. Also.. for anyone who does this, stop please just.. stop. Stop wielding your disability like some kinda cudgel to smash others over the head with for sympathy it is not a good look.

It becomes too much. You cannot plan for all issues players may have it is simply impossible. Sure sure can make it easier but at what cost? Let me keep my buttons please because I found solutions that work for me already as did many friends and extended family. Those same solutions are there for anyone else should they put in enough effort to utilize them.