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  1. 04-10-2022 09:33 AM #1
    WaxSw
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    You mean DPS. Tank gameplay plummeted in 5.0 when they tweaked stance dancing to emnity on, emnity off modes. As well as some other changes in 4.0 which made me personally quit the role.
    No, I mean Dps AND Tanks, yes tank gameplay is simplistic but they at least have a rotation, they at least have buffs to keep an eye on and get to use most of their skills available in meaningful ways in the majority of content they play, they dont get relegated to being the party caretakers and see their role being absolutely unnecesary on a daily basis. Tanks may not have it as well as dps but they are in a better state than healers
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.
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  2. 04-10-2022 04:25 PM #2
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    No, I mean Dps AND Tanks, yes tank gameplay is simplistic but they at least have a rotation, they at least have buffs to keep an eye on and get to use most of their skills available in meaningful ways in the majority of content they play, they dont get relegated to being the party caretakers and see their role being absolutely unnecesary on a daily basis. Tanks may not have it as well as dps but they are in a better state than healers
    We definitely have differing opinions but that's fine.
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  3. 04-11-2022 02:23 AM #3
    WaxSw
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    We definitely have differing opinions but that's fine.
    I dont want to bring logs here again but there is no tank that from the easiest to the hardest content spends over 50% of their cpm pressing the same button over and over, tanks are included in speedruns, tanks have rotations and get to use the majority of their kit available no matter the difficulty of the content, I'm not saying that they are good, fine, perfect or anything like that, they are oversimplified too but they have it much better than healers
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.
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  4. 04-11-2022 08:07 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    I dont want to bring logs here again but there is no tank that from the easiest to the hardest content spends over 50% of their cpm pressing the same button over and over, tanks are included in speedruns,
    We press our Direct Damage ability (Glare etc) as much as tanks autoattack. Let that sink in for a minute. . .
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]
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  5. 04-11-2022 08:37 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    We press our Direct Damage ability (Glare etc) as much as tanks autoattack. Let that sink in for a minute. . .
    Wait let me check that with tank logs for a sec...



    ...holy shit is right
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.
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