Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Semirhage]

Im well aware that FFXIV originally had a more robust rpg centric combat system but I was making the point that the devs reasoning behind "simplifying" jobs were due to that change in philosophy over the years. Heck even WoW to an extent started to do that. In fact...a lot of MMOs seem to stray far from the complexities of stat based combat in favor of more action oriented style of combat. Just look at games like Lost Ark and BDO.

This is a trend I've noticed with modern games, and I'm pretty deep in the camp of hating it. Action combat isn't *incapable* of catching my interest, but it definitely has a steeper climb than something with complexity. I'm aware I'm in a minority in the gaming landscape here.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard something like "finally, a system that fixes the problems with RPG combat systems". I don't see it that way at all. I see it replacing choice, clever ability stacking, and interesting interactions with *dodgeroll dodgeroll dodgeroll swing swing dodgeroll swing dodge swing dodge swing swing swing dodge* which is simply, to put it in RPG terms, replacing INT checks with DEX checks. I don't mind having my DEX checked. I mind when literally all of the challenge in a game boils down to twitch reflexes. I'll get bored pretty fast.

/unsolicited personal whining derailment

[Nethereal]

This is a trend I've noticed with modern games, and I'm pretty deep in the camp of hating it. Action combat isn't *incapable* of catching my interest, but it definitely has a steeper climb than something with complexity. I'm aware I'm in a minority in the gaming landscape here.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard something like "finally, a system that fixes the problems with RPG combat systems". I don't see it that way at all. I see it replacing choice, clever ability stacking, and interesting interactions with *dodgeroll dodgeroll dodgeroll swing swing dodgeroll swing dodge swing dodge swing swing swing dodge* which is simply, to put it in RPG terms, replacing INT checks with DEX checks. I don't mind having my DEX checked. I mind when literally all of the challenge in a game boils down to twitch reflexes. I'll get bored pretty fast.

/unsolicited personal whining derailment

I find a game that did that well was Tera. Yeah you were doing a shit ton of "DEX Checks" but you were actively doing "INT Checks" and if you fucked up you usually had something just as good as what fucked you up to counter it.

I.E. die in 0.5 seconds after the boss turns? Well you have a free revive buff you placed on yourself either before the fight started or during. You also relied a lot more on boss tells, how they were moving and their attack patterns more so than randomly dodging and if the boss did do random attacks then you would know they were going to randomly do it so it kept you on your toes waiting for it. That said Tera is a shit game, but the combat.

Thats another thing, its super weird that they took out the differences between Eos and Selene but still keep them both summonable anyway?

They 'deleted' selene because they removed her AoE Esuna because they made a fight that required you to cleanse 6 people to clear it and with selene being able to cleanse all 6 with a single press of a button in an instant you would just be trolling to not take a SCH regardless of how well they did later in the fight. It's just more developer failure imo. If you have to bring things down, instead of up to make them equal they will never be truly equal.

[Semirhage]

I find a game that did that well was Tera. Yeah you were doing a shit ton of "DEX Checks" but you were actively doing "INT Checks" and if you fucked up you usually had something just as good as what fucked you up to counter it.

I.E. die in 0.5 seconds after the boss turns? Well you have a free revive buff you placed on yourself either before the fight started or during. You also relied a lot more on boss tells, how they were moving and their attack patterns more so than randomly dodging and if the boss did do random attacks then you would know they were going to randomly do it so it kept you on your toes waiting for it. That said Tera is a shit game, but the combat.

I just had one of those intrusive thoughts that's probably hilarious only to me. I imagined taking an action RPG and modding it. Replaced all of the enemy sound files with various speed and pitch-shifted versions of "A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES", for every single attack

[Nethereal]

I just had one of those intrusive thoughts that's probably hilarious only to me. I imagined taking an action RPG and modding it. Replaced all of the enemy sound files with various speed and pitch-shifted versions of "A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES", for every single attack

He says it before he steps on you.

https://youtu.be/sqI6awQM6iM?t=369

[Absurdity]

This is a trend I've noticed with modern games, and I'm pretty deep in the camp of hating it. Action combat isn't *incapable* of catching my interest, but it definitely has a steeper climb than something with complexity. I'm aware I'm in a minority in the gaming landscape here.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard something like "finally, a system that fixes the problems with RPG combat systems". I don't see it that way at all. I see it replacing choice, clever ability stacking, and interesting interactions with *dodgeroll dodgeroll dodgeroll swing swing dodgeroll swing dodge swing dodge swing swing swing dodge* which is simply, to put it in RPG terms, replacing INT checks with DEX checks. I don't mind having my DEX checked. I mind when literally all of the challenge in a game boils down to twitch reflexes. I'll get bored pretty fast.

/unsolicited personal whining derailment

It's also a fact that regardless of whether you like the action combat design or not, it simply doesn't work in XIV. This engine is incapable of checking your twitch reflexes so the game becomes nothing more than a boring, mindless button masher.

There isn't even *dodgeroll dodgeroll dodgeroll swing swing dodgeroll swing dodge swing dodge swing swing swing dodge*, it's just *swing swing swing swing swing swing swing swing step-out-of-the-5-second-tick-tock-death-spell swing swing swing swing*.