SAM changes - I don’t mind it

[Liam_Harper]

Fun fact, if you took Kaiten off your bar entirely and just spammed Shinten with the Kenki, you'd only lose about 2.2% dps on average. You actually never had to press it.

The ability only really matters for high end optimization and week 1 Savage prog, but players who probably barely dabble in EX are happy it's being ripped away when its existence doesn't even matter to them in the first place.

[localareanetwork]

Why tf would Iai cost kenki on top of Sen?

Where did I say Sen would cost kenki

[IdowhatIwant]

Where did I say Sen would cost kenki

Here.

if you removed it, added 50% potency to Higan, Tenka, and Midare, and made any iai cost 25 kenki to use, there would be literally no difference besides your oGCD slot before an iai being freed up

That would mean that Iai would cost 25 kenki on top of what ever sen to execute that Iai. Not sure if you aren't understanding what you typed or what SeverianLyonesse typed.

It's not 25 kenki per sen it's 25 kenki + the sen gauge to make that more clear as to what both of you are stating.

[SeverianLyonesse]

Here.



That would mean that Iai would cost 25 kenki on top of what ever sen to execute that Iai. Not sure if you aren't understanding what you typed or what SeverianLyonesse typed.

Thank you for making my point for me. You are a Summoner and a Gentleman.

[Gemina]

Fun fact, if you took Kaiten off your bar entirely and just spammed Shinten with the Kenki, you'd only lose about 2.2% dps on average. You actually never had to press it.

The ability only really matters for high end optimization and week 1 Savage prog, but players who probably barely dabble in EX are happy it's being ripped away when its existence doesn't even matter to them in the first place.

I remember this being brought up before. Something along the lines of it being better to not use Kaiten at all, than to misuse it on the wrong skill. That was well before EW though. The thing is, the change will prevent Kenki from being used on the wrong skill from a misused Kaiten. Had the devs come out with something like that, instead of saying they want to reduce button bloat; the change would be have been received MUCH differently. The problem with that though is you can't say that without mentioning that "players can't be confided in to use Kaiten correctly, so we're removing it." You have to attach a euphemism or flat out lie for the sake of offending someone.

I know we want to believe that devs are out of touch and make questionable decisions. Granted, they do. I am not saying they are infallible; but more often than not that is not so. In this case, I feel that "button bloat" is just the fall guy.

[IdowhatIwant]

I remember this being brought up before. Something along the lines of it being better to not use Kaiten at all, than to misuse it on the wrong skill. That was well before EW though. The thing is, the change will prevent Kenki from being used on the wrong skill from a misused Kaiten. Had the devs come out with something like that, instead of saying they want to reduce button bloat; the change would be have been received MUCH differently. The problem with that though is you can't say that without mentioning that "players can't be confided in to use Kaiten correctly, so we're removing it." You have to attach a euphemism or flat out lie for the sake of offending someone.

I know we want to believe that devs are out of touch and make questionable decisions. Granted, they do. I am not saying they are infallible; but more often than not that is not so. In this case, I feel that "button bloat" is just the fall guy.

You can use the excuse that players can't use x skill correctly for almost every skill and every job in the game. So many players can't play BLM correctly by misuse of flare, swiftcast, triple cast, thunder, ley lines, manafont, manaward, between the lines, aetherial manipulation, sharp cast. And that is just one job but are they removing any of these skills because players do not use them correctly?

You have created an excuse for the devs which so many other players do as well. Unless they come out and give a different reason, I will take the reason they have given us.

Edit: Also if players can't take time to learn how to play there class that is not my problem or the devs problem IMO. If you want to play a class and do end game content, learn to play it.

[SargeTheSeagull]

I know we want to believe that devs are out of touch and make questionable decisions. Granted, they do. I am not saying they are infallible; but more often than not that is not so. In this case, I feel that "button bloat" is just the fall guy.

That’s a fair take. That said, I still hate the dev’s trend of dumbing the combat down so the skill gap is smaller. IMO the solution should be add hall of the intermediate that teaches markers, ABC, don’t let dots fall off etc. rather than removing any optimization for endgame players.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Yes. It has to be done, in order to make the inexperienced player feels more valued. Vet players be damned for creating that wide skill gap!

/s

[Absurdity]

Yes. It has to be done, in order to make the inexperienced player feels more valued. Vet players be damned for creating that wide skill gap!

/s

That'd imply that only veteran players are annoyed with the dev's constant attempts at making both the content and the gameplay increasingly more shallow.

Maybe we'll eventually get one of those mobile game auto-battle functions so I can play something that doesn't make me fall asleep while the game does dungeons for me.

[Soge01]

People act like this is new.

They completely changed warrior within a patch or 2 of the game launching because "people didn't understand how to play it"

What did they do? Made it more like PLD.

People act like things getting nerfed is new. Coil was nerfed every new tier.


This isn't new. This has been the games design the entire time.

Who the fack did not understand how to play Warrior!? Pardon my language, but you gotta be dam near brain dead to think Warrior's a difficult job class to understand! Jesus christ, lol!