SAM changes - I don’t mind it

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

No matter how hard SE tries, they won’t ever bring parity to this player bases skill levels (or lack there of). This is just another useless change that won’t bridge the gap. Looking through this thread there’s incorrect 2.0 and a lot of ‘gray’ posters if you know what I mean and of course THOSE are the strongest supporters of removing buttons and homogenizing but unfortunately it’s still gonna be on you guys to step up even more with these soft kid glove moves. Bring back the complexities of HW and let the game filter itself.

Some of the people I've seen saying not to remove skills are green/gray, and on some of the most simplified jobs, no less.

So cherry picking goes both ways lol

I did no such thing. Your original post cited Samurai's damage not being "up to par" which is simply inaccurate. It's the strongest DPS in the game. We'll have to disagree on the changes in EW as I found they vastly improved on the several annoyances from its ShB iteration. And naturally the devs want to avoid blaming the playerbase, however that is almost certainly why this change is happening despite overwhelming distain towards it. After all, good players weren't often mismanaging Kaiten. Just like they weren't letting Heavy Thrust or Straight Shot fall off; two maintenance buffs the devs outright said were removed due to casual players forgetting them.


Except your argument hinges on a lower APM, which will not be achieved unless they also alter Kenki generation. Otherwise, you've essentially traded Kaiten for more Shinten spam. They specifically said "Action" bloat not "Button", suggesting they felt Samurai was too busy. The only benefit these changes have is dumbing the job down further because instead of having to momentarily think about your Kenki, all your big hits just auto-crit now.

Carrying off your second post, Seigan was removed for largely being useless. The damage component was so negligible you could ignore it and still perform at a top percentile. Those four skills could all be given cooldowns considering how limited their interaction with the gauge is. Senei/Guren, for example, only cost 25 Kenki now. You generate 30 by performing your 123. With the upcoming change, you'll have so much Keni overflow, you'll never lack enough to press Senei/Guren on CD. They could remove the Kenki requirement entirely and literally nothing changes.

SAM is not the strongest dps in the game. For p1s, the first sam to appear is 122nd place in terms of rdps. It's only strongest in adps, because of party buffs. And in terms of ndps, blm bears it out.

It was weak when introduced, and players panicking over potency made it fall even further behind as other jobs were buffed over it.

[ForteNightshade]

SAM is not the strongest dps in the game. For p1s, the first sam to appear is 122nd place in terms of rdps. It's only strongest in adps, because of party buffs. And in terms of ndps, blm bears it out.

It was weak when introduced, and players panicking over potency made it fall even further behind as other jobs were buffed over it.

Samurai is a selfish job. rDPS is largely irrelevant to use as a solo metric for it. You need to look at aDPS, rDPS and how much damage it does under raid buffs. The latter is especially important. This video explains it far better but he highlights the difference between Warrior and Dark Knight and why the latter is overwhelmingly better. Under raid buffs, Dark Knight contributes nearly 1,200 rDPS under buffs whereas Warrior only contributes 500. Hence the gap between them is far higher than the 350 difference the rDPS tab suggestions. Their respective aDPS shows a staggering 700 difference.

All this aside, if you look at the speed meta, Samurai completely dominates with a whooping 36.4% amongst Melee in P1S.

When factoring in everything above, Samurai is, indeed, the strongest DPS since 6.08. Black Mage is competitive with it as are Ninja and Dragoon.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Samurai is a selfish job. rDPS is largely irrelevant to use as a solo metric for it. You need to look at aDPS, rDPS and how much damage it does under raid buffs. The latter is especially important. This video explains it far better but he highlights the difference between Warrior and Dark Knight and why the latter is overwhelmingly better. Under raid buffs, Dark Knight contributes nearly 1,200 rDPS under buffs whereas Warrior only contributes 500. Hence the gap between them is far higher than the 350 difference the rDPS tab suggestions. Their respective aDPS shows a staggering 700 difference.

All this aside, if you look at the speed meta, Samurai completely dominates with a whooping 36.4% amongst Melee in P1S.

When factoring in everything above, Samurai is, indeed, the strongest DPS since 6.08. Black Mage is competitive with it as are Ninja and Dragoon.

Then clearly things have changed because the last time I cared to check, rdps was what mattered for everyone, and selfish jobs were looked down on even if they brought high dps to the table.


Not that it ever stopped my static from playing what it wanted

[IdowhatIwant]

Then clearly things have changed because the last time I cared to check, rdps was what mattered for everyone, and selfish jobs were looked down on even if they brought high dps to the table.


Not that it ever stopped my static from playing what it wanted

Nah I don't think that has really changed. You think people that play this game can comprehend the difference between rDPS and aDPS?

[Kira_Yaeger]

Whoo as long as I can do my treasure maps while button mashing and praying I'll be fine! Sucks to all those raiders who liked job philosophy in HW, make way for the casual Limsa AFKer!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Whoo as long as I can do my treasure maps while button mashing and praying I'll be fine! Sucks to all those raiders who liked job philosophy in HW, make way for the casual Limsa AFKer!

Most of the limsa afkers i see have ultimate weapons. In fact, most of the time I saw people afking in the past, it was showing off raid weapons, gear, etc...

Plus, HW raids basically broke the raid scene for a lot of players. I rarely meet anyone who wants to go back to that, outside the small group of hardcore raiders that seem to all post on the forums remembering things with heavily tinted glasses lol.


I've raided every expansion since the game released. I haven't cleared every tier, but much of that was static issues. I cleared every tier last expansion, and i cleared all of coil.

[ThivraK]

Most of the limsa afkers i see have ultimate weapons. In fact, most of the time I saw people afking in the past, it was showing off raid weapons, gear, etc...

and they paid quite well for those, too

[Kira_Yaeger]

Plus, HW raids basically broke the raid scene for a lot of players. I rarely meet anyone who wants to go back to that, outside the small group of hardcore raiders that seem to all post on the forums remembering things with heavily tinted glasses lol.

I said HW job philosophy. Minor adjustments to the raids and the jobs would have made them not only more accessible but also diverse and have a higher skill ceiling. Casuals could still clear eventually like they do now and more hardcore gamers could have more fun doing the content to its fullest potential.