What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Lauront]

You know final fantasies tend to be very deep at times so it makes sense endwalker was too deep for a lot of people.

Of the many things the plot has been accused of in this thread, that certainly hasn't been one. There's more complicated or convoluted FFs out there. I don't think EW is particularly complex. It's more that there is both an internal dissonance in some of its themes, and a rather larger one with SHB... to the point that one could even argue its "theme" ended up being find a way to justify Venat one way or another. I can enjoy deep plots but any "messaging" has to make sense in the context of the setting's particulars and not just be constant repetition of "this resembles that, so judge it the same way!" It also doesn't matter to me much though whether a story deals with "deep themes" or not in terms of whether I enjoy it or think it was well executed. Sometimes simplicity is a virtue.

[CrownySuccubus]

Of the many things the plot has been accused of in this thread, that certainly hasn't been one. There's more complicated or convoluted FFs out there. I don't think EW is particularly complex. It's more that there is both an internal dissonance in some of its themes, and a rather larger one with SHB... to the point that one could even argue its "theme" ended up being find a way to justify Venat one way or another. I can enjoy deep plots but any "messaging" has to make sense in the context of the setting's particulars and not just be constant repetition of "this resembles that, so judge it the same way!"

Yeah I stopped taking the story seriously when I got to The Plenty.

Ancient, infinitely wise and all powerful beings killed themselves because a space bird asked some questions.

Uh huh.

EDIT: No wait, the Ea were arguably worse.

I mean of the Ancients were wise and all powerful why did they fail to account for someone like Hermes or a creature like Meteion. For all their bluster, they were still very mortal and prone to blinding pride.

First of all, I'm not talking about the Ancients.

Second of all, what do you mean "account for"? The Ancients had a whole system in place to stop people like Hermes from doing exactly what he did.

Hermes just lied to them and betrayed them. The hell has "pride" got to do with that?!

[Theodric]

Yeah I stopped taking the story seriously when I got to The Plenty.

Ancient, infinitely wise and all powerful beings killed themselves because a space bird asked some questions.

Uh huh.

Yeah, it's bizarre. Looking at our own species we've barely scratched the surface of what there is to see and explore in regards to our own planet since there's a whole lot of mysteries to uncover such as what exists within the deepest reaches of the world's oceans. Remnants of previous civilisations are also discovered quite frequently as well.

When we eventually explore all there is to find in regards to our own planet, we can safely look at what can be found elsewhere amongst the planets both near and far. It's a safe bet that other species would follow a similar trajectory instead of deciding to just kill themselves because they're bored. Even if some decided to do that, it's not like every single member of the species would opt to do as much. Especially if they weren't a hive mind.