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    Valeigh Stryder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Even endwalker. the level 90 tank quest for example just tells you to interupt an ability. so i and apparantly quite a few other players were getting frustrated because stuns are interupts and they weren't working.... and the solution to the quest was use a role skill thats basically been obselete since second coil. (minus maybe a handfull of very rare situationally niche uses) and as a result is a skill that 99% (exagerated) of tanks never even have on there hotbars...
    Um...Stuns are NOT interrupts. They do interrupt, but they are not the same. Creatures that are immune to stuns can still be interrupted. How do you not know this as a tank? Interrupts also function differently mechanically. An interrupt will trigger a longer cooldown for the enemy than normal, whereas with a stun the enemy has a fair chance to immediately attempt to re-cast the ability once the stun expires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ValStryder View Post
    Um...Stuns are NOT interrupts. They do interrupt, but they are not the same. Creatures that are immune to stuns can still be interrupted. How do you not know this as a tank? Interrupts also function differently mechanically. An interrupt will trigger a longer cooldown for the enemy than normal, whereas with a stun the enemy has a fair chance to immediately attempt to re-cast the ability once the stun expires.
    This is going to sound mean to the person you replied to but there's no way around it so, this is why content gets easier. People lack basic understanding of their skills. There's like one fight in EW dungeons where an interrupt is needed (I say needed but it's 100% not) and that's on the Hermes fight. Just about every run you can see people just let the Truebravery cast go off.

    Also if you don't have every single skill on your hotbar, you're playing your Job wrong. Everything has a use, this is what separates the good players from the bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    Also if you don't have every single skill on your hotbar, you're playing your Job wrong. Everything has a use, this is what separates the good players from the bad.
    No it doesn't. A good player wouldn't be using Ice 2 on BLM as early as shadowbringers or healing with a summoner as of right now.

    But I understand the general sentiment people should use their resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post

    But I understand the general sentiment people should use their resources.
    Then why bother saying anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    Then why bother saying anything?
    Because you are empirically wrong, incorrect, your statement is false. And you are spreading misinformation. And I corrected you, lest some SMN starts healing around because he read your comment in these forums and you contribute to the issue.
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    Player Kyrj's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Because you are empirically wrong, incorrect, your statement is false. And you are spreading misinformation. And I corrected you, lest some SMN starts healing around because he read your comment in these forums and you contribute to the issue.
    Why wouldn't a SMN heal? If it came down to it and a heal no matter how small won the fight, it's worth it. You should bring everything to the table, not doing so is just lazy and is why the player base is the way that it is. Because people promote mediocre skills rather than pushing people to do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    Why wouldn't a SMN heal? If it came down to it and a heal no matter how small won the fight, it's worth it. You should bring everything to the table, not doing so is just lazy and is why the player base is the way that it is. Because people promote mediocre skills rather than pushing people to do better.
    Because thats the kind of SMN that would waste a GCD on a 200 health heal when they could be doing around 20,000 damage with their spells. I don't think it can even save a tank from an auto attack at this point. But instead of contributing to killing the boss quicker so the party doesn't wipe to a damage check or have to see additional mechanics that could wipe the party they have decided to waste their GCD on something worthless prolonging the encounter instead of adding value.

    For a SMN heal to barely save a fight it would mean that the fight would be easily winnable if the SMN actually damaged the boss and killed it faster.

    There is such a thing as opportunity cost and efficiency. A RDM heal and a PLD clemency may be a different argument because even though it is preferable for them to DPS there are some scenarios where they can sustain party members long enough to win an encounter. A SMN heal is so inefficient it has no such capability.
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    Phuc Hieuthu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    Why wouldn't a SMN heal? If it came down to it and a heal no matter how small won the fight, it's worth it. You should bring everything to the table, not doing so is just lazy and is why the player base is the way that it is. Because people promote mediocre skills rather than pushing people to do better.
    Because Summoners can’t heal. Physik is not a legitimate heal at all. RDM has a true heal. Summoner does not outside the Phoenix portion of their dps rotation.
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