Discrepency Between Male/Female Clothing/Emotes in Regards to Performance

[Illmaeran]

There are some female shorts that I wish I could wear as male. So the feeling is mutual!

Do you have a list of what the different items are? I need some of those in my life.

[CCheshire]

There are some female shorts that I wish I could wear as male. So the feeling is mutual!

Finally, someone understands the suffering of a male character who lacks all the cute shorts for no reason at all.

[Theodric]

I'd rather not see glamour go in the same direction as hairstyles and result in the majority of options being designed to be feminine or androgynous rather than masculine. At least by having distinct designs for female and male characters a greater number of players are appeased. Whereas only a tiny minority of people playing male characters would be content if every other option was designed to be 'cute' or 'girly'.

[Sigma5]

Literally all of them are skin tight jeans except the one on top right just one lonely bell bottom.

[Senn]

Bees knees is performative on females? idk, looks like the same dance male characters do. But putting that aside, I'm all for more unisex options and unlocking gender-locked gear/emotes. At the same time, I realize that doing something like this for all gear is a lot more work than it's probably worth. So instead I suggest at least the popular outfits get two versions (feminine and masculine) and make both these versions available to anyone regardless of character sex. It might be unrealistic to expect something like this with every single piece of gear, but if it's just the most desired and popular outfits, I think that would be fine.

There's no denying that most men want more masculine outfits, and most women want feminine outfits. This is just the norm. However, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge people who prefer an alternative style or unisex outfits - they should get things, too.

[BaconBits]

I just want a pair of baggy jean shorts so I can cosplay Rick from the PS3 Splatterhouse remake.

[Iscah]

Do you have a list of what the different items are? I need some of those in my life.

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4 5 6
7 8 9

1. Skallic bottoms of aiming
2. Makai (various) – these are part of the Garo collaboration sets and currently not available in the game.
3. Expeditioner's pantalettes/kecks
4. Skallic bottoms of striking
5. Spring bottoms
6. Pagos culottes / Rainbow culottes of striking – also shared model (in different colours) with Arachne culottes of casting/healing
7. Type-53 bottoms of casting/healing
8. Gryphonskin pantalettes / Uraeus breeches
9. Spriggan bottoms

[Carmabis]

Bees knees is performative on females? idk, looks like the same dance male characters do. But putting that aside, I'm all for more unisex options and unlocking gender-locked gear/emotes. At the same time, I realize that doing something like this for all gear is a lot more work than it's probably worth. So instead I suggest at least the popular outfits get two versions (feminine and masculine) and make both these versions available to anyone regardless of character sex. It might be unrealistic to expect something like this with every single piece of gear, but if it's just the most desired and popular outfits, I think that would be fine.

There's no denying that most men want more masculine outfits, and most women want feminine outfits. This is just the norm. However, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge people who prefer an alternative style or unisex outfits - they should get things, too.

The women blatantly sway more and have an added wink and dont have as wide of a stance. This is where the chicken or the egg comment came about with men liking masculine things and women liking feminine things, there is no inherent determining factor that says "women usually prefer this because theyre women, and men usually prefer this because theyre men". It has absolutely nothing to do with sex and everything to do with social conditioning, and to act like enforcing the rigidity (as in ffxiv making female outfits the "other" and male outfits the "default" according to item icons) doesn't add to this is wild.

Making an entire different version of the outfit for only one sex that's clearly other'ed and secondary is a lot more work than was necessary when they could have just kept the clothing the same.

[Carmabis]

Finally, someone understands the suffering of a male character who lacks all the cute shorts for no reason at all.

It's not no reason at all, it's distinctly because yes theyre cute, but they're performative and men aren't expected to perform. I love and agree that yes everyone should get options but y'all are really digressing from the point that they ALREADY allowed males in the game to wear multiple female-only hyper-sexualized outfits. My point was distinctly about single item's having female versions that are blatantly different that what the item is advertised specifically because the character is female. And most of these changes are to show off more skin and become way more impractical. I'm asking that this option be switched specifically because its enforcing the sexist idea that women inherently want to perform and sexualize themselves, yet they don't have a choice when that's all theyre given.

I get wanting cute shorts as a male character, I do. But "wanting" to have fun decorating yourself (when theyve already expanded those options, anyways, compared to what they've now allowed females to wear) and adding this to a post where this decoration is FORCED onto a sex and clearly multiple people have an issue with this takes away the point of it a bit.

Wanting the same performative outfits forced onto women isn't the same as not wanting to be forced into those performative outfits. In some cases, it can even normalize forcing women into them because if so many men want them, clearly there's nothing sexist about them existing—aka, as I'll say again, multiple feminine outfits being opened up for men but little to no comparison of male outfits for women.

[MsQi]

There are some female shorts that I wish I could wear as male. So the feeling is mutual!

Most of these change with gender. But I know the top middle is two different items, one for female, one for male. Personally I think they should all be separate items, but equitable by all. Yeah I know that's a lot of work.

...men aren't expected to perform.

um... ok