An NPC you truly hate with passion

[KizuyaKatogami]

Is it murder if you split 1 into 14? Isn't it additive at that point?

Uh…yes it is murder. Especially if you take into account illness and arguably dying of aging didnt really exist. Her sundering effectively created those vulnerabilities which means all of the deaths due to those are on her hands. She split their souls apart to the point they became effectively different beings/people entirely.

[Caurcas]

Uh…yes it is murder. Especially if you take into account illness and arguably dying of aging didnt really exist. Her sundering effectively created those vulnerabilities which means all of the deaths due to those are on her hands. She split their souls apart to the point they became effectively different beings/people entirely.

So it resulted in creation rather than destruction though? Fail to see the issue here.

[Skyborne]

Lyse and Xenos.

Lyse because she's so much the archetypical blonde dingbat. Xenos because everything about him is objectionable to me. Not least of which is his hair! Take a shower and get a hair cut, Stringy Hair Boy.

At the very least, Zenos decided to finally take a shower for the first time in years for his Dissidia appearance.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So it resulted in creation rather than destruction though? Fail to see the issue here.

? It split the world apart. Did you not play through Endwalker? It caused mass death in the long run, it even continues to to this day. I can argue in that case then the rejoinings would result in creation of one better world than 14 broken ones.It’s literally explicitly stated to not be a good thing by the writers so i’m not sure what there’s even there to argue about.

[Lauront]

So it resulted in creation rather than destruction though? Fail to see the issue here.

Indeed. All you need to do is ignore all the consequences it has, and there's no issue. I mean, why even stop at division by 14? Keep going.

Oh and another little tidbit: she let Emet-Selch escape knowing what he'd potentially do without any knowledge of what happened while actively working towards some grand plan that the WoL either unwittingly played into or (potentially an "and") involved actively steering the timeline in that direction. Do you grasp the implication of that?

[Caurcas]

Indeed. All you need to do is ignore all the consequences it has, and there's no issue. I mean, why even stop at division by 14? Keep going.

Oh and another little tidbit: she let Emet-Selch escape knowing what he'd potentially do without any knowledge of what happened while actively working towards some grand plan that the WoL either unwittingly played into, or involved actively steering the timeline in that direction. Do you grasp the implication of that?

Allow me to use Emet logic. I don't consider the Ancients alive, therefore I feel nothing towards their destruction.

[Lauront]

Allow me to use Emet logic. I don't consider thr Ancients alive, therefore I feel nothing towards their destruction.

None of the characters are truly alive - your feelings on the matter are of little interest to me. I am simply seeing if you can follow a logical train of thought. I've got my answer.

[Caurcas]

None of the characters are truly alive - your feelings on the matter are of little interest to me. I am simply seeing if you can follow a logical train of thought. I've got my answer.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. You and your camp have your alls take on the story. One that gets brought up in any thread tangentially related to the story, and often derails the discussion. I have my own takes on the story that, by and large, I am willing to keep to myself and not engage. However, due to how prevalent these arguments have become in discussing the story I have felt the need to wade in the disagreement. In doing so, time and time, again I been confronted on my position with "facts and logic". Facts and logic I do not view as valid, or particularly convincing. So our disagreements continues. In short nobody is convincing nobody, and we are all in it for argument and sniping at arguments.

[LisSquid]

Fanboys frothing in this thread right now.

[Kyohei]

There's no "camp" though..? What a funny way to think, we're all here in hope to enjoy the game and discuss it not to grow camps and be hostile with each other.

Anyway, going back to the actual thread, there's actually no npc I can't stand tbh but there are some annoying ones. If the elementals from Twelveswood can be considered npcs then it's definitely them on top of my list, if not then it would be Valens.