In March Linux Proton Users Will No Longer Be Able to Play The Game

[DPZ2]

We live in a time where people are actively defending a completely unnecessary decision that cuts off Linux access to players, who previousky had it, because it "was never supported before anyway". You would expect it to be a good thing that the game can be accessed on Linux, even when not officially supported, but here we are.

Personally, I have never said it was a bad thing that the game can be accessed on Linux. I only point to the Linux developers for solutions to problems encountered, not Square Enix. It is not up to a company with no official support for a particular platform to 'fix' problems that are only encountered on said platform. And, if support is desired, to make that case to Square Enix, not just post in the FFXIV forums.

[Youkulm]

And, if support is desired, to make that case to Square Enix, not just post in the FFXIV forums.

People usually post their ideas and suggestions on the forums all the time. That's what 90% of the OF is. The community team and the devs have openly stated they read the forums and even on occasion reply when needed.

Is there a problem with people discussing this here for you? Is this not the proper channel? Do you have a direct E-mail to YoshiP you'd like to share?

I still don't understand the disparaging of Linux users on this forum, let alone this thread. It's always the same users doing it too lol. Show us on the doll where the bad penguin touched you.

[DistractionCat]

Well, you said it yourself. There aren’t many of you. And your value and contribution is small in the grand scheme of things. It’s a tad arrogant to say you are worth more than everyone else, which is what you just done.

As Diplopod says, I only meant that I'm worth as much of a player as you are, as anyone is. I was careful not to say we are entitled to it working: We are not. It's literally not supported, and we're on our own if anything goes wrong. But Square *cares* when they disrupt a player's experience, and, well, suddenly and without warning I couldn't play the game. I wanted that experience to be known. Everyone's life is better if we can understand each other. I wonder what your stake in this is.

It's not just linux either, this has disrupted a lot of peoples' game experience. For a while you couldn't even login if you had non-alphanumeric characters in your steam ID.

Ironically, there's a workaround now, and any linux+steam players that were using the vanilla launcher, from now on, won't be. From a pragmatic standpoint, that's a bad outcome for Square. The intent was to lock players into a particular login system, for security reasons, and it's been circumvented in mere days.

[DPZ2]

I still don't understand the disparaging of Linux users on this forum, let alone this thread. It's always the same users doing it too lol. Show us on the doll where the bad penguin touched you.

I've seen this phrase before "disparaging of Linux users". What does it mean?

It doesn't mean asking the Linux community to take responsibility in creating fixes to software that is emulating Windows.
It doesn't mean asking those who insist take Square Enix change their code in order support the Linux platform to step back and first prove to SE that it's in their financial interest to do so.

While it may be amusing for you to compare what's been written in the forums to questioning a child about rape, I don't find that particular meme amusing. It's not clever, it's not funny, and those who use it lose all of my respect.

[Youkulm]

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You completely ignored the point. Bravo. I'll repeat.

And, if support is desired, to make that case to Square Enix, not just post in the FFXIV forums.

People usually post their ideas and suggestions on the forums all the time. That's what 90% of the OF is. The community team and the devs have openly stated they read the forums and even on occasion reply when needed.

Is there a problem with people discussing this here for you? Is this not the proper channel? Do you have a direct E-mail to YoshiP you'd like to share?

Since you seem to have an issue, ill elaborate: They're allowed to ask for help with problems. SE is allowed to say no. Just like with every other thing posted on the OF. Why does it bother you so much that they ask?

As for disparaging, I wont belittle you with a definition, I'm sure you know what it means, but I'll explain why I said it: I see you on every active Linux thread shooting people down, being generally rude, asking for sources and not accepting them when given. It's fine that you don't like Linux, want it, or want to use it. No one is making you. Equal example as someone who doesn't use Linux myself: Just because I don't want a butt slider or care for one doesn't mean I go into all those threads and write a dissertation about why they can't and shouldn't have them.

This thread was 100% just here to point out a problem that Steam & Linux issues users would have. That's it. Yet people came running in to call them names, don't believe me? Go back and read the thread.

As for my joke, you don't have to like it and you don't have to respect me, I don't even know you. I just don't see the point in giving people a hard time for the OS they choose to play on.

[Padudu]

I've seen this phrase before "disparaging of Linux users". What does it mean?

IDK they're probably referring to the people in this thread going "lol ok hipster stop using Linux", or "at least I'm still playing XIV!" whilst the steam Integration broke for a crapton of people, people calling Linux users entitled for wanting support, ect.

I get that it's a small scale but people have been dunking on the Linux users in this thread lol

[Sebazy]

12.) Running character database with world server requiring character data to be moved each time instance is changed then copied back upon returning.

God that one was an incredible feat of bad design. In early ARR at peak there were points where simply zoning was a huge gamble with a multitude of horrible demises. You could get locked out and stuck in limbo for hours with login attempts simply booting you straight back out. Even rollbacks weren't uncommon.

Good times

[sharknado]

11.) The entire method their database uses to store item/player data is borked forked and storked. Seriously, why are they storing erroneous data instead of uncoupling appearance data from items?
12.) Running character database with world server requiring character data to be moved each time instance is changed then copied back upon returning.

And they are not changing it for the next 10 years of the game, as per their announcement we will get more plate slots and that's it...

[DPZ2]

You completely ignored the point. Bravo. I'll repeat.

Your point was subsumed in a bad interpretation of anything and everything I've written on the subject. There is no way you could come away with the idea that I am giving people a hard time based on the OS they are running. I don't call them names. And your interpretation of anything I've written here as "that you don't like Linux" is so way off the mark that I guess you don't get the point, either.

Point out those posts here where you get the impression that I dislike Linux as an operating system (well, aside from the one post where I indicated that I personally wouldn't use it as the basis for a gaming platform, based on 30 years of experience with the OS.) Rather than have you go to all the trouble, here are all the mentions of Linux I've made in this particular thread:

2-15-2022 09:37 PM

Say that. Show how many Linux-platform gamers would purchase a license to run the game on Steam Deck, show SE that it makes financial sense for them to offer support for Yet Another Platform. Make that case.

Better yet: ask Steam to fix the issue on their platform that causes the problem.

3-08-2022 06:35 AM

Square Enix does not support running the game on the Linux operating system, nor on the new Steam Deck. If there is sufficient revenue that can be attributed to players on those platforms they could consider it in the future. Linux users would do well to provide evidence demonstrating the value of that revenue before complaining.

03-09-2022 7:31 PM

It's not 'hate' because it's Linux. It's intense dislike of the sense of entitlement in "SE must correct their <insert favorite swear word> code because we're important to their bottom line and it inconveniences us."

Tone the superior attitude down a bit, O Linux Godlings.

03-10-2022 09:58 PM

MSHTML, in all of its glory, is supported software, through 2029. It works perfectly fine on Windows 10 and Windows 11. There may be better technologies, but SE is under no contract with the Linux community to use them. Perhaps this solution doesn't cost anything to use? I know if they went to Java instead they'd be paying large amounts of money to Oracle for licensing.

03-10-2022 09:59 AM

You pay for a Windows PC license, not a Linux license. The fact that PC games work on Linux, unsupported by the game companies themselves, is a testament to the creativity of programmers in the Linux community. That does not excuse Linux user complaints to Square Enix for breaking their working system when introducing a feature in their Windows software. They are complaining to the wrong people.

I would suggest using search terms such as "final fantasy xiv launcher change 6.0" or "ffxiv steam launcher" or, even better, look at the Lodestone announcement from 9 February 2022 (and game-oriented websites from the 10th through the 12th on the issue).


03-10-2022 02:21 PM

Probably a moot point because, TADA!, Valve just announced their Windows 10 driver for the Steam Deck (literally, like in the last hour or two). It can't be dual booted, which may still be a deal-breaker for a subset of Linux users, but ... "not ready yet" is what Valve said about dual boot.

03-10-2022 2:30 PM

Personally, I have never said it was a bad thing that the game can be accessed on Linux. I only point to the Linux developers for solutions to problems encountered, not Square Enix. It is not up to a company with no official support for a particular platform to 'fix' problems that are only encountered on said platform. And, if support is desired, to make that case to Square Enix, not just post in the FFXIV forums.

[DPZ2]

I get that it's a small scale but people have been dunking on the Linux users in this thread lol

Unfortunate. It was my threads to which the poster responded though.