Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[Kozh]

I think they’re certainly capable of doing so yet I think, like Venat, that the Sundered were less able to do so to the reality of their circumstances. The imperfections of life are more apparent when you have to grow your own food.

Man, can't wait for Venat 2.0 to do another sundering should the sundered turn away from their reality in the future.

Good argument.

Thanks, good for you to finally admit it.

See you’re trying to force equivalence. Exactly how is it turning away from reality to desire another future for people who aren’t you? There was no ending to their actions that would actively undo their present circumstance, at best it would mean another wouldn’t have to suffer and no change in circumstances for you/at worst it mean the end of your timeline. They looked at the world as it was and said, “let’s make sure others don’t have to suffer, using the knowledge and information we fought to obtain.” Nothing is forgotten or left behind, and no one is turning away from reality. Unlike the Ancients.

Now you're the one trying to force equivalence. As I said before, it doesn't matter if their action doesn't benefit them directly, because the point is that they try to erase a reality where the sundered race are dying. If anything, it's the non-Ironworks people who fight tooth and nail just to survive to see another day are the one who's more fit to Venat's ideology of "facing despair". If the time is a timeloop and they ended up to the same future, what they gonna do? Reset the timeline again? How many time would they do that before finally giving up? Everything and every knowledge during that time period WOULD BE forgotten if not for g'raha existence.

“let’s make sure others don’t have to suffer, using the knowledge and information we fought to obtain”. By your logic here, this also applicable to the Ancients lol. They don't want their friends to suffer eternally inside zodiark and they want to ensure the future generation to not suffer. So what's the difference except for the moral dilemma of sacrificing other creatures?

The Ancients were not sacrificing the surviving ones first off. They were sacrificing the life that would spring up post Final Days.

IF

I’m sorry but how could she be working with the rejoining in mind if her intent was to save Emet, and Lahabrea/Elidibus “happened to be nearby.” That’s not intent that’s an accident.

Because she doesn't spare emet out of kindness?? She needs him, if not for rejoining, then at the very least for him to help the WoL once he regain his memories (though this is a pretty big gamble). Like, she did the sundering knowing the risk of rejoining that could happen. Then on top of that she spare emet, whom she knows will try rejoining should he survive. Like you said before, nothing set in stone (as far as she knew), so all of this are a gamble to her. She gambled that by sparing him, the timeline will be as close as possible to our timeline. Even during our farewell in Elpis, she already said "... or perhaps we will meet again...".

I don't get it, you yourself said the characters are not perfect nor black and white, so why it's so hard to acknowledge that she did the sundering and sparing emet selch knowing that it'll most likely lead to rejoinings? After all, the sundering isn't less worse than rejoining, and she already bloodied her hand at that point.

He didn’t say that and you know it Kozh, you are lying.

wow I didn't know the second sentence were spoken by someone else, not by Yoshida....

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. About the "needless suffering" I mention on my last post, your take on it is 100% not what I meant , at all. This is probably a matter of miscommunication, so I'll let it slide for now.