Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[EaraGrace]

Uh that's one of the point when people's criticism of venat is how she's more of "the bigger picture" person. And do you really think the sundered isn't capable of looking away from the reality? Like how the 8UC timeline didn't? Or the general Eorzean/hydaelyn population who the game conveniently left out during final days? She deemed the whole sundered able to defeat despair when the sample population is just 8 people (with plot armor) plus, give or take, sharlayan people and some refugees.

I think they’re certainly capable of doing so yet I think, like Venat, that the Sundered were less able to do so to the reality of their circumstances. The imperfections of life are more apparent when you have to grow your own food.

Ok meteion.

Good argument.

Still isn't the same as moving back in time to erase that reality of final days.

You’re right it does not involve time travel. If that’s your point then you are correct and I’m gonna assume we agree that they wanted everything back to the way it was.

I assure you I have double the amount of frustration when you refuse to see how those two acts are basically the same, if not, worse. Whether or not it's for benefit of self or others, it doesn't matter because the main poin of this argument is if the sundered had the means to turn away from reality.

See you’re trying to force equivalence. Exactly how is it turning away from reality to desire another future for people who aren’t you? There was no ending to their actions that would actively undo their present circumstance, at best it would mean another wouldn’t have to suffer and no change in circumstances for you/at worst it mean the end of your timeline. They looked at the world as it was and said, “let’s make sure others don’t have to suffer, using the knowledge and information we fought to obtain.” Nothing is forgotten or left behind, and no one is turning away from reality. Unlike the Ancients.

I mean, if the third sacrifice is to sacrifice the surviving Ancients to bring back those who were gone, you probably still say that they turn away from despair right? On top of that, like I said before, what the Ironworks did do benefit them as a whole race and how they also willing to potentially sacrifice those who opposed their plan (or even unaware of).

The Ancients were not sacrificing the surviving ones first off. They were sacrificing the life that would spring up post Final Days. That’s about the closest it gets to a moral equivalence, that both involved making sacrifices for others. The major distinction, and one I would hope you’d agree with, is that one is a theoretical risk that was only speculated about resulting from changing the timeline and would also mean your death as well, the other is directly sacrificing others for your own benefit.

I mean, if you don't want people to mock you, then don't do that yourself in the first place?

And no thanks, there's no way I dig around your posts from weeks ago, they're scattered around different posts and even forums. But what you write here is one example. Apparently you are so ready to say "see, yoshi-p said the Plenty is what the Ancients gonna be!!!, but then when it comes to discussion about how venat do sundering with the rejoining in mind, you deny it vehemently.

…because one is directly stated and the other is an assumption? I’m sorry but how could she be working with the rejoining in mind if her intent was to save Emet, and Lahabrea/Elidibus “happened to be nearby.” That’s not intent that’s an accident.

Even though Yoshida also said that" venat tried hard to keep the timeline in place"

He didn’t say that and you know it Kozh, you are lying.

Q: I don’t really understand why the Warrior of Light messing around in Elpis didn’t create any alternate timelines. What happened?

A: Well, I think the most important thing is that you can come up with your own theories for this one. In my personal interpretation however is that the timelines were always the same. Another interpretation you can have is that maybe Venat worked really hard behind the scenes to ensure the timeline didn’t go awry. Therefore the Warrior of Light was always acting in accordance with this plan of Venat so the timeline that we are aware of didn’t change when we went back to the affected..

and "she deliberately spare emet selch". It doesn't take a genius to understand that those two actions means she needed him to do rejoining so the WoL would exist.

I forget how many Unsundered were needed for the Rejoinings in our timeline?

Ah yes nothing more positive than your entire base being massacred, having to carry their bodies onto a cart yourself, learning about tempering and how there was no hope for them, watching them be executed, people drinking alien blood and turning into monsters massacring their own kind, the first dungeon of the game being full of sex slaves...need i go on? The game only got incredibly positive around shb.