World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[HisShadowX]

At least it is something repeatable with something to work towards. There is hardly any repeatable content in FFXIV and gear is practically meaningless outside of Ultimate patches.

So this is where the Hardcore Minority doesn't comprehend the entire fanbase or understand the casuals or the majority of the people. Its sort of like how the hardcore minority doesn't understand why people don't like pain or BDSM. New Game + is there for people here for the story which is repeatable. Where literally you people get hung up on is, 'Where is the reward' or 'There is no reward and XP why would anyone play New Game+' its the way you people think like when your being whipped in a dungeon gaining pleasure from the pain. Most people don't see that as pleasure. For gaming your pleasure comes from 'the accomplishment' which is more akin to you all getting whipped and asking for more pain.

For the majority of people the story and the experience of replaying the story is the entire point. Of course you people will still get hung up over no experience or points or whatever, but that's not how most people think.

[IdowhatIwant]

So this is where the Hardcore Minority doesn't comprehend the entire fanbase or understand the casuals or the majority of the people. Its sort of like how the hardcore minority doesn't understand why people don't like pain or BDSM. New Game + is there for people here for the story which is repeatable. Where literally you people get hung up on is, 'Where is the reward' or 'There is no reward and XP why would anyone play New Game+' its the way you people think like when your being whipped in a dungeon gaining pleasure from the pain. Most people don't see that as pleasure. For gaming your pleasure comes from 'the accomplishment' which is more akin to you all getting whipped and asking for more pain.

For the majority of people the story and the experience of replaying the story is the entire point. Of course you people will still get hung up over no experience or points or whatever, but that's not how most people think.

Of course I would be hung up on not getting experience points or rewards. Imagine playing through any FF game again where you are already max level and have the best gear in the game. That sounds terrible, but you are trying to tell me a majority of players like this and feel accomplishment from this? You sound like one of those people that believes everyone deserves a trophy.

So yea I believe this game needs more post game content over all. More options for gearing, and just more content in general for all players casual and hard core, and definately things that are repeatable as a large amount of the content the devs add becomes obsolete fairly quickly. It's possible we may be getting more of that we are getting some weird omega story, hildabrand story, 2 ultimate fights, criterion dungeons.

Now your whole thing about thing about hardcore minority, some people enjoy to play games that challenge them, and there is nothing wrong with that. Most games when there is a New Game + that is typically a challenge mode for people that want more from the game after completing it. In some cases it is just an easy mode to face roll through the game again as it is in FFXIV and there is nothing wrong with that either. But the expectation that everyone is to like New Game + being a face roll with no rewards, and if you don't then you are a hard core player that just wants rewards is just ignorant.

If anything I think it is a mistake on the devs end to not allow you to gain xp from NG+ as it would keep more expansions alive with that incentive as new players come into the game. Instead the answer to that was putting Trust systems through out each expansion. This is one of the major things that helped WoWs downfall was not keeping the new player experience intact and it can be a tricky thing to do as more expansions release. If you can't welcome your new players properly they will not stay.

[HisShadowX]

Of course I would be hung up on not getting experience points or rewards. Imagine playing through any FF game again where you are already max level and have the best gear in the game. That sounds terrible, but you are trying to tell me a majority of players like this and feel accomplishment from this? You sound like one of those people that believes everyone deserves a trophy.

So yea I believe this game needs more post game content over all. More options for gearing, and just more content in general for all players casual and hard core, and definately things that are repeatable as a large amount of the content the devs add becomes obsolete fairly quickly. It's possible we may be getting more of that we are getting some weird omega story, hildabrand story, 2 ultimate fights, criterion dungeons.

And this is why they cannot make games for you people. You all are out of touch with the world. The fact systems like New Game Plus and the way FFXIV is the way it is now instead of FFXIV 1.0 which had to be destoryed because again making games for you people does not make sense to the world.

Sadly, you people are never going to understand. I know it sucks the only content you people have is Eureka, The Bozjan Front, PVP, and Savage modes but if I were you I would be happy that made at least some zones for you people after FFXIV 1.0 had to be shut down because making games for you people do not make sense.

FFXI still exists, and I believe so does Everquest there are some companies still willing to make homes for you people.

[IdowhatIwant]

And this is why they cannot make games for you people. You all are out of touch with the world.

I think the feeling is mutual as you confuse this MMORPG with a single player JRPG.

Also 1.0 was not destroyed, it is the foundation of this game, and the cause of most of its mechanical issues and limitations.

[HisShadowX]

I think the feeling is mutual as you confuse this MMORPG with a single player JRPG.

But you do understand the shut down games made for you people, right? FFXIV 1.0 is completely destroyed and unplayable. Are you obvious to the fact games like this is either made or remade with people like you out of sight out of mind?

I don't mean it as an insult, but rather a reality. I know for example not to go and play Eve Online because its not made for people like me. I know not to go play Everquest and its clones because its not made for people like me.

[IdowhatIwant]

But you do understand the shut down games made for you people, right? FFXIV 1.0 is completely destroyed and unplayable. Are you obvious to the fact games like this is either made or remade with people like you out of sight out of mind?

I don't mean it as an insult, but rather a reality. I know for example not to go and play Eve Online because its not made for people like me. I know not to go play Everquest and its clones because its not made for people like me.

First of all, I am not sure who you mean by you people. Cause if you mean hardcore players I am far from that. I do savage cause I enjoy the challenge and typically have fun doing it. Does that mean it is for everyone? Not at all. Do I think there should be more content in a MMO for people that enjoy a challenge, absolutely but it should not be centralized on that. My feedback was "More options for gearing, and just more content in general for all players casual and hard core, and definytely things that are repeatable as a large amount of the content the devs add becomes obsolete fairly quickly." Now how you have pinned me into a certain group of individuals from that is beyond me.

Second of all I have never played FFXIV 1.0 except for alpha where I wrote a long letter about how terrible the game was and how it should not be released. Everquest was not a player friendly game, it was designed for a very niche group of people that enjoyed things more like dungeons and dragons, and the games difficulty and game play reflected that. There are other games like this as well, such as Neverwinter nights, Divinity, Baldurs Gate. That being said Everquest would be a game for people that enjoy story it has some hard mechanics such as dying and loosing all your equipment and running back to get your body but that was sadly a norm during this time. Same as FFXI this game had a very good plot as well but very old school mechanics that were just the norm at this time. I do not know if you are young and just do not understand video game history or demographics or are just ignorant as hell. I am leaning more towards ignorant though.

I think the big thing players need to ask, is what is FFXIV. If it is just the MSQ and a single player RPG than the subscription rate should be dropped and it should be released as such and stop producing content after the MSQ is complete. If it is an MMORPG, which is what it currently is, then it should have more post game content that does centralize on players grouping up to achieve a goal or accomplish a task.

[HisShadowX]

I think the big thing players need to ask, is what is FFXIV. If it is just the MSQ and a single player RPG than the subscription rate should be dropped and it should be released as such and stop producing content after the MSQ is complete. If it is an MMORPG, which is what it currently is, then it should have more post game content that does centralize on players grouping up to achieve a goal or accomplish a task.

And that is where we agree. I do think FFXIV should be single player at this point and I would prefer if it was a single player game and I would pay extra to play online when needed. This game could nickle and dime us and make us pay for the Warrior of Light outfit instead of grinding but it does not do that. Would I pay for this game again for a single play option where I can do all Raids, Trial and Content by myself and AI? You bet.

You might or might not know MSQ missions will be all Trusts and patched in starting with ARR MSQ dungeons. So yeah this is becoming more of a single player game and it feels like a Final Fantasy game for the first time since FF12 took the franchise in the wrong direction.

[deadman1204]

I feel like this OP could've titled the thread "I'm bored and I wanna troll, so troll troll troll!"

[FoxyAreku]

Troll post, right?

The common complaint with WoW is that they cater to raiders and hardcore players way more than casuals.

As for this game, it just doesn't have much content for either party at level cap.

[Ronduwil]

As for this game, it just doesn't have much content for either party at level cap.

True, but that's by design. I'd rather play a game that allows its players to be done for a while than sub to one like WoW where they timegate their limited content and make the repeatable grinds for achievements/mounts/glamours last years rather than weeks. Contrary to what the OP claimed, this game is going in the opposite direction of WoW, and that's a good thing. I've been playing this game for years now, and I still haven't capped all my jobs. I'm still in the process of leveling my 80-90 trust party. I still haven't done all the role quests. I still haven't completed the Masked Carnivale with my BLU. This game has far more to offer than WoW. Mostly that's because SE simply refrains from rendering all previous content irrelevant with every new patch the way Blizzard does. Maybe once I've finally caught up and achieved everything I've wanted in this game, I'll finally run out of stuff to do, but I will honestly be relieved at that point. I'd like to finish Age of Empires IV someday, and I haven't played Civilization in a really long time, either.