Increase penalty for people leaving roulettes

[Padudu]

You missed the second part. The 30 minute penalty is shorter than praetorium, alliance raids, and extreme trial completion times.

With the exception of MSQ, which is going away anyways, 30 minutes is about the average time of most dungeons and alliance raids, especially WoD/CT, ect. The only raids I can see that may be a bit over is like, what, maybe Ivalice or Nier?

[Vahlnir]

With the exception of MSQ, which is going away anyways, 30 minutes is about the average time of most dungeons and alliance raids, especially WoD/CT, ect. The only raids I can see that may be a bit over is like, what, maybe Ivalice or Nier?

I ran the 3rd Nier raid earlier for my roulette. I think it took about 40-45 minutes. There were some hectic moments that required immediate recovery, but there were never actually any wipes. Dps also seemed a bit low. Glad I chose to run that roulette as SMN today, that's for sure. lol I'd imagine it would go slightly faster if more people were performing optimally.

[Padudu]

I ran the 3rd Nier raid earlier for my roulette. I think that was about how long it took, maybe a bit longer. There were some hectic moments that required immediate recovery, but there were never actually any wipes. Dps also seemed a bit low. Glad I chose to run that roulette as SMN today, that's for sure. lol

I've been running Ivalice like crazy for the glam this past week, also because I may be masochistic. I wanna say I don't think it took more than ~30mins for each run, maybe 35mins at most, that's WITH new people dying to mechanics and a wipe with one of them lol. Nier only feels like it takes longer cause them bosses be taaaankyyy

[VerdeLuck]

With the exception of MSQ, which is going away anyways, 30 minutes is about the average time of most dungeons and alliance raids, especially WoD/CT, ect. The only raids I can see that may be a bit over is like, what, maybe Ivalice or Nier?

From the last few months of recording my roulette runs, only labyrinth, syrcus tower, world of darkness, and void arc are under 30 minutes average time
I see people regularly abandon on dun scaith, ivalice, and nier.

[Mandudez]

With the exception of MSQ, which is going away anyways, 30 minutes is about the average time of most dungeons and alliance raids, especially WoD/CT, ect. The only raids I can see that may be a bit over is like, what, maybe Ivalice or Nier?

Not only did the live letter confirm that MSQ roulette is here to stay but basically guaranteed that the problem will just continue to get worse. At least new players will be able to have another way to run it when people now start fishing for ultima and insta leave castrum AND prae. Sure is a great possible first impression on new players though...

[Sicno]

Not only did the live letter confirm that MSQ roulette is here to stay but basically guaranteed that the problem will just continue to get worse. At least new players will be able to have another way to run it when people now start fishing for ultima and insta leave castrum AND prae. Sure is a great possible first impression on new players though...

It'll probably be the other way around. People currently leave Castrum because you can only run the roulette once a day and (if memory serves, haven't ran it in a long time) you get about a whole lvl if you get Prae. Ultima will probably give the least rewards so people may drop out of that now.

[Mandudez]

It'll probably be the other way around. People currently leave Castrum because you can only run the roulette once a day and (if memory serves, haven't ran it in a long time) you get about a whole lvl if you get Prae. Ultima will probably give the least rewards so people may drop out of that now.

People really undersell the AFK part of prae as to why they fish for it over castrum. I think a few more people prefer prae over castrum for the exp but the back end being a boss rush with minimal movement plays a big factor too. I can't imagine too many people opting to do a glorified leveling roulette with forced cutscene watching if the exp is no where near the same after it's updated.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Not only did the live letter confirm that MSQ roulette is here to stay but basically guaranteed that the problem will just continue to get worse. At least new players will be able to have another way to run it when people now start fishing for ultima and insta leave castrum AND prae. Sure is a great possible first impression on new players though...

I actually don't think that'll be the case.

Ultima still has that very large cutscene in the middle between the two phases at 4mins 30s - this is on top of the fact depending on how they balance it, the fight might actually take longer than it does now as part of Praetorium. With initial cutscene of 2mins, transition cutscene of 4mins 30s and a conservative 2mins per phase (excluding the autoscrolling 30s or so of phase 1), I'd put new Ultima as being a roughly 10-13min instance.
I think you also severely underestimate how short Prae is, even with cutscenes leading up to Gaius. Half of Prae's runtime is from post-Gaius, meaning I'd be willing to put both Castrum & Prae at about 20-ish mins each. prae could be even shorter since they mentioned they're changing the dungeon a bit as well.

If all three have identical rewards, I doubt anyone would fish for Ultima since even if you can occupy that 30min penalty doing something and then score a 1/3 chance of getting Ultima (and not simply getting one of the other 2 instances again), you'd only be saving 8min-ish of actual instance time, a small amount of time that is basically a zero-issue for most people compared to the headache of having to deal and wait for lockout penalties and then gamble on a 1/3rd chance. This also disregards the fact that the time you save is even less, since if you get Prae or Castrum, you'd still have to watch the opening cinematic before you can leave, meaning you save even less time.

The extremely predominant reason Prae is fished for isn't because of total instance time - it's because of reward disparity due to the titanic amount of EXP it gives compared to castrum, making it far more enticing to eat a 30min penalty and then take the gamble for nearly 2-3x as much rewards. If anything, people might try to anti-fish Ultima if it gives severely less rewards than the other two do.

[Jennah]

. . .30 minutes is about the average time of most dungeons . . .

What.

A 20-minute dungeon run is already unusually long.

[Padudu]

What.

A 20-minute dungeon run is already unusually long.

Which is why I feel like the 30minute penalty is ok. :P Even with like abandoners in Ivalice/Nier I don't think it should run too hard over 30min

And I've been running... too much of Ivalice for the glam lately (I'm v unlucky when it comes to drops lol).. At least with the Monastery, haven't had problems with people abandoning as of late. Mostly Castrum