Increase penalty for people leaving roulettes

[ZephyrMenodora]

I generally dislike the idea of people roulette-fishing or leaving the moment any sort of challenge appears. This is hypocritical on some level as I already admitted to leaving Castrum after getting it 14 days in a row - so I completely understand someone being tired of getting the same instances daily like Syrcus or something. I think the in-game system already punishes people enough to ensure they do not make so much a habit of this as they waste too much time of other players. Usually when people leave I can get a replacement within a minute so it's not a huge deal to me unless it's like Aurum Vale and the Tank leaves.

I don't like the idea of adding more punishments though as not everyone leaves for bad reasons. For example. sometimes you que as a DPS and it says the wait is 5 minutes. However what actually ends up happening is it pops at 50 minutes. Having lost track of time, that person may realize they don't actually have time anymore to finish but they had joined and they need to leave. Honest mistake.

People already provided a lot of other reasons that are legitimate. And sometimes the "I don't want to spend my free time like this " is enough given the game still penalizes them already.

I am just curious if everyone who is all about "players should have the freedom to leave whenever they want it is their time" also champion the idea the players can play however they want since it is also their time and sub. For instance, who are you to say a healer has to do DPS in roulettes, it's their time and sub fee and if they don't want to DPS they shouldn't have to. Or is it suddenly your time and sub they are wasting and now people should conform to your standards?

I think players should have the freedom to leave whenever they want given the game punishes them for doing so already. I don't think they should be able to do this over and over with no consequences at all - so there is a difference. If there was no deterrant to leaving at all, the problem would be way worse.

I'm not really picky how people play at all depending on context. I've had many new / low level healers play like my much-hated Cecily squadron mate - watching and doing nothing while waiting for HP levels to fall so they can cast a cure. I have even had those annoying "Blizzard 1 only" mages too. I thought it was a bot but they really thought Blizzard had the same potency as Fire - except they didn't have to watch their manabar lol.

I usually just do my job and move on if we can still clear the content. I only actually care if someone is being purposely disruptive to the party.

But I have probably more patience for others given I don't really think I'm that great a player myself - though would like to think I'm at least "good" (or...when tanking, 'Okay I guess').

[VerdeLuck]

People are still complaining about this?

Have to agree with Vahlnir. 30 minutes in penalty is enough. 30 minutes is longer in time than most instances take, meaning the punishment takes longer than it would have if they stayed in the dungeon/trial/insert random roulette.

Not to mention I've left and taken penalty for other reasons. It's never "I don't want to do this" which I'm sure is the case for a lot of people. Emergencies happen. Harassment happens. I shouldn't need to be held hostage because someone can't handle waiting for a new DPS or healer.

What would you rather? People just AFK in the instance? Because that is what will happen, it already happens in mentor roulette and we don't need the issues that plague mentor roulette oozing over to other duties. At the end of the day, you'll still have to wait for the party to fill when you kick them after waiting the 5 minute limit anyway. I would much rather leave when I have an emergency than just AFK and leave my party high and dry, then be locked out of the DF the rest of the day or some other asinine nonsense if I manage to play again that day.

Let's get back to OP though. If the primary problem is Castrum, no need to worry. It'll be gone and turned into a 4 man dungeon soon.

I know people have been leaving castrum in droves, because frankly it's awful and the rewards/effort aren't worthwhile compared to Praetorium. MSQ roulette has its own issues and the devs are looking into fixing it. Changes are coming soon. If you don't know about these check out the last PLL. Personally I'm excited to see what happens to Castrum and Praetorium. Also happy that Ultima is getting his own trial! So much good stuff.

The issue in this case seems to be that it can pop from mentor roulette and mentors have a bad habit of leaving anything that takes over 20 minutes when doing that roulette. EX Trials, Alliance Raids, Endwalker Trials, MSQ Dungeons, all of those can take up to 30-40 minutes to complete and so when they show up the mentor usually just leaves to queue again. All of those have completion times potentially longer than the penalty for abandoning which is why they are abandoned. The key to fixing it is either scale the penalty on how many times you abandon in the last few days/weeks, or relative to the average completion time of a duty.

[Youkulm]

Not seen a single dropout in alliance in months? Wow girl, go and buy a jumbo cactpot ticket right now.

Nope, sorry. I'll admit I only run roulettes every other day, so maybe my chances of this happening are lower, but I've not had it happen except in castrum. Though I'm not sure who would drop out of LoA or ST ( Alliance roulette... which is it's own issue deserving of it's own thread. )

I am just curious if everyone who is all about "players should have the freedom to leave whenever they want it is their time" also champion the idea the players can play however they want since it is also their time and sub. For instance, who are you to say a healer has to do DPS in roulettes, it's their time and sub fee and if they don't want to DPS they shouldn't have to. Or is it suddenly your time and sub they are wasting and now people should conform to your standards?

I'm pro not wasting anyone's time and that includes not doing stupid things like not wearing your job stone, refusing to play your job properly at max level ( you know cure 1 WHMs or Ice mages, that fun stuff ), or AFKing in duty. I also have no issue with the 30 minute penalty staying as it is. Bad apples will always ruin a decent system, no matter what they come up with unfortunately.

I stand that I see no issues with the system as it. I do feel bad for everyone complaining here, it sucks you're having such a bad time in DF.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Nope, sorry. I'll admit I only run roulettes every other day, so maybe my chances of this happening are lower, but I've not had it happen except in castrum. Though I'm not sure who would drop out of LoA or ST ( Alliance roulette... which is it's own issue deserving of it's own thread. )

While we have threads about people removing gear so they get LoA or ST, last night I had 3 people leave our LoA raid roulette immediately. I think there are some people who are just totally over those runs lol. Even I sighed as I find LoA super boring, but at least there was a new player for a roulette bonus. I even died once as the tank since i picked up all the trash and neither healer (both of whom have every class at 90) would cast a heal - completely unexpected so I had to be even more bored by letting the other tanks do everything. Having no heals at all it was tempting to leave but it's so easy it wasn't necessary.

[Sicno]

Nope, sorry. I'll admit I only run roulettes every other day, so maybe my chances of this happening are lower, but I've not had it happen except in castrum. Though I'm not sure who would drop out of LoA or ST ( Alliance roulette... which is it's own issue deserving of it's own thread. )

Meanwhile pretty much all Ivalice and Nier raids I've been in had people leaving right away. I remember nearly half the alliance leaving one time.

[Youkulm]

Meanwhile pretty much all Ivalice and Nier raids I've been in had people leaving right away. I remember nearly half the alliance leaving one time.

I always get stuck in ST and LoA, once in a blue moon I see WoD. I miss the HW Raids. Those were nice...

[Jennah]

What on Etheriys are you queuing for that you constantly have people leaving?
You aren't trying to do old extreme trials in the duty finder, are you?

[AbysmalDuck]

I am just curious if everyone who is all about "players should have the freedom to leave whenever they want it is their time" also champion the idea the players can play however they want since it is also their time and sub. For instance, who are you to say a healer has to do DPS in roulettes, it's their time and sub fee and if they don't want to DPS they shouldn't have to. Or is it suddenly your time and sub they are wasting and now people should conform to your standards?

I'd also like to know how many of these people join Frontlines and AFK or pretend to participate.

[Padudu]

I am just curious if everyone who is all about "players should have the freedom to leave whenever they want it is their time" also champion the idea the players can play however they want since it is also their time and sub. For instance, who are you to say a healer has to do DPS in roulettes, it's their time and sub fee and if they don't want to DPS they shouldn't have to. Or is it suddenly your time and sub they are wasting and now people should conform to your standards?

Since when is freedom to abandon duty = freedom to do whatever anyways? Like tbh idc how people play, I'm not a stickler for rotations and whatever and as long as we get through, I'm fine. I just want some effort which I'm not going to see if they abandon straightaway anyways.

But people who straight AFK in frontline/prae, you're just legit contributing nothing LMAO you might as well just abandon. At least the people who abandon aren't there to take advantage of the efforts of others

[TaleraRistain]

I dunno guys. I'd rather those people bounce and we refill than stay and make the duty run miserable either by afking so we kick them anyway, making it go slower, or being toxic in other ways. The 30 minute penalty will deter the majority so those few who aren't deterred by it, I wouldn't want in my party anyway.

Also, I saw ideas about adding the penalty to anyone who leaves and not just the first or that leaving a roulette removes the reward for the day. I can give you an example where you would punish someone doing nothing wrong.

I queued into Temple of Fist in either 50+ or Leveling a couple weeks ago. Can't remember exactly which. I was dps and there was tank and another dps. They were both new. Healer had bounced almost immediately. We waited a bit and didn't get a healer. I said "brb on healer", left, swapped to healer, and rejoined them by direct queuing with JIP on. We got another dps in no time and we were on our way.

So I wouldn't have been able to come back at all because I would have gotten the 30 minute penalty even though we weren't full, and I would have lost my roulette bonus all from trying to help some new folks get through an instance. As it was, I didn't get a penalty, came back right away, and still go to run my dps roulette after we were done.

If this were an every-duty thing then we could make an argument for more deterrents. But my experience on Aether has been it's rare except for something like MSQ roulette and when someone does bounce, the party usually refills quickly so the effect is negligible. The instance I mentioned like my Temple of Fist experience is just once in a while. And we don't have to put up with someone who didn't want to be there being forced to stay there. I can't see any benefit to increasing the penalty that outweigh any negatives that come with it. Many of the replies on this thread don't seem like they want to solve a problem but just punish those who are doing something they dislike.