FF14 and toxic positivity

[Lunalepsy]

Original thread here



What do you guys think?

I think they're spot-on!

We live in an era of censorship. Beware!

[Sheriyana]

I think I see this more in roulettes now too, as a player who started with ARR (or in the closed beta really), I'm used to the playerbase doing content a certain way. Had so many horrible experiences in Praetorium recently with even longer time players, like since ARR came out people have speedran that content but now in some random groups people are just acting like it's somehow normal that they don't skip the first pulls. On one run we had half the party killing mobs in the beginning part of the dungeon while the rest of us were grabbing our magitek armors and I got upset at that, as you see so many people just afk looking for free tomes with not a shred of effort on their part. But I mentioned it in the party chat and hell hath no fury like a random duty finder player scorned, there was no end to it, I was called an entitled crybaby and everything under the sun for expecting the run to go as it's always been done, pretty much everyone in the group turned against me. There weren't even any new players in that group. These are just things that never used to happen and leave my jaw at the floor. Expecting efficiency and I'm the entitled one, everyone else should be standing around waiting for you to maybe show up, it's not like you can blame it on the cutscenes anymore since everyone has to watch them.

Like I get it, it's on me too, I shouldn't maybe take it as seriously. But this "my time is more important than everyone else's" is so prevalent now. Everyone has been skipping those mobs for 10 years but it's my fault for not stopping and kill them because some random decides they want to do it another way now, even though there's no point to it besides wasting everyone else's time, you're not even getting exp from the trash anymore. I'm just rambling at this point but sometimes the care bears mentality in the community really drives me up a wall. It's like everyone is so insecure about their favorite game that they need every new player to "have a good time" just for validation. Can't make anyone feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable or they might leave and then who will these shallow droolers recruit to obsess about the new flavor of the month story character with on twitter or reddit.

[Sheriyana]

I couldn't agree more. Any criticism for anything lately is met with harsh responses or people bring up irrelevant things like Soken having cancer or that we should be grateful we are getting anything. Uh...we're paying for this game and we have a right to address concerns, provide feedback, and state our opinions. Some fans are just completely defensive and extremely aggressive to any criticism which deep down inside they probably know is true. We live in sad times in all fan communities right now (especially Star Wars as you mentioned).

This is just every fandom these days. People are so shallow that they base their entire existence on the one product they like and every shred of criticism against said product is a personal insult to them. There's a reason why the word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic". This is something these people don't understand, people criticize because they want the things they like to be better. I love this game and yet there's so many things about it that could be done better. If people didn't care they wouldn't waste their time voicing criticism and hoping for improvement, they'd just move on.

[Skiros]

There's a reason why the word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic".

Neat, you learn something new every day!

[SturmChurro]

Neat, you learn something new every day!

Why I prefer the term 'enjoyer'.

[Zachia]

Coming from WoW and seeing lost ark communities... i'd rather have "toxic positivity" over the freedom of speech to harass people and invalidate any concern or feelings they might have. You could legit up and tell people to go off themselves in WoW and never get silenced. You can tell people to uninstall because they were so bad at the game and never even get a warning. Seeing how op is a troll this is probably legit what he wants to tell people off and not have consequences for it.

[Padudu]

Coming from WoW and seeing lost ark communities... i'd rather have "toxic positivity" over the freedom of speech to harass people and invalidate any concern or feelings they might have. You could legit up and tell people to go off themselves in WoW and never get silenced. You can tell people to uninstall because they were so bad at the game and never even get a warning. Seeing how op is a troll this is probably legit what he wants to tell people off and not have consequences for it.

I think that's the opposite point of the post though? Toxic positivity can be harassment at times - especially if you were around for when EW release was still relatively fresh people who were critical of the game were met with harshness of the fans: emotional manipulation, being told to essentially shut up and be grateful, ect. I don't see how that's the OP wanting to tell people off (trolling status aside) unless I'm missing something here

[aiqa]

From what I see people pointing out faults are often unreasonably harsh and confrontational in their wording. And it's little surprise that gets some pushback. But I've never seen someone told to shut up when they are fair and polite in their critique.

[Padudu]

From what I see people pointing out faults are often unreasonably harsh and confrontational in their wording. And it's little surprise that gets some pushback. But I've never seen someone told to shut up when they are fair and polite in their critique.

There was a critique about the lameness of EW characters some weeks ago, it wasn't provocative and it was rather fleshed out, and one immediate response was a "sorry that you had to admit your terrible opinions in public" or some such. Heck in this? thread I think there's a poster who comes out of nowhere that people should appreciate the MSQ because Soken has cancer and the EW writer has received awards, unironically at that. So yeah it does happen even on the forums at times, reddit especially can be like that as well.

[Xuled]

Yeah it’s pretty terrible. Ideally you’d weaponize the ToS like the GCBTW does & report them for the most minuscule thing. Reap what you sow.