FF14 and toxic positivity

[Xuled]

Yeah it’s pretty terrible. Ideally you’d weaponize the ToS like the GCBTW does & report them for the most minuscule thing. Reap what you sow.

[Skiros]

FF14 - the community that declares itself to be the most wholesome community online while simultaneously gaslighting anyone who talks about their bad experience!

[Larirawiel]

FF14 - the community that declares itself to be the most wholesome community online while simultaneously gaslighting anyone who talks about their bad experience!

Forums != Community.



Cheers

[Shougun]

Forums != Community.

Cheers

I think you can get a pretty good idea of what people want when you look across the platforms, with considerations like reddit or twitter are likely to create hives (that may or /may not/ enhance their representation), and the forums is to have less hives but a lot more chaos lol. But certainly feedback tools that would need grains of salt. Yet I do believe FFXIV does listen to feedback and care (my imo).

Yes and no. Facts are important, but feelings can also be applicable and wielded in a way to promote civil and healthy conversation. A lot of valid criticisms of this game are based in both facts and feelings. It ultimately depends on the subject matter how much weight you would give the latter in terms of consideration. I don’t think dismissing them outright is the way to go.

Definitely, I think it's important to discuss feelings- I think even Yoshida at one point has said they want to know more than just "it sucks" or whatever. Like -why- don't you like it, what do you think you would like? Doesn't mean they're going to do the latter, but if all you say is something is unfun. It's a bit like .."thanks...". Love feedback like that on my own stuff. Generally I'm more interested in the people who come up with ideas and feelings than the dismissive types (particularly the ones without effort in them), even when I don't particularly like the ideas or feelings. Of course should also probably say what you do like, besides being uplifting that too can be a helpful form of sense of direction.

On that note though... everyone is allowed to have their own unique interesting and valid ideas and opinions.. unless.. they disagree with mine and then which case that's just not okay!

[Garruss]

Seems like you are making up these troll threads a lot I have noticed

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It goes both ways.
Look back at all the threads criticizing Endwalker for not being able to log on because of the usual Massive flood of people trying to log in creating congestion.

Anybody who voiced the opposite and said they were able to log in and were having a good time.....or anybody who reacted negatively to harsh, and unfair "criticisms" and attacks on the devs, were called bootlickers, fanboys, White Knights and called part of a cult.
Pretty much just insulting them and invalidating their experience.


You wanna talk about getting gaslighted, remember the Venom people were spitting at anybody who didnt have a bad experience with EW the 1st month

[Dragonlancer]

How can positivity be toxic? This modern world gets stranger by the day.

[Kaurhz]

How can positivity be toxic? This modern world gets stranger by the day.

It's just a meaningless buzzword created by folk which want to scrutinize the game (which is ok), yet don't want to have their own opinions subjected to the self-same scrutiny by other people.

[HyoMinPark]

It's just a meaningless buzzword created by folk which want to scrutinize the game (which is ok), yet don't want to have their own opinions subjected to the self-same scrutiny by other people.

It’s actually not that at all. Toxic positivity exists well outside this game, and has for a while. That said, I do believe that there is toxic positivity and enabling of toxic positive behaviors in this game. There’s always been a degree of toxicity in FFXIV, but it does seem to be getting worse as the playerbase grows and the game ages. Kind of to be expected.

But it’s not some crazy invention or meaningless buzzword. It’s very much a real thing.



Troll thread or not, this subject matter could actually provide some decent discourse if people were willing to have it. However, it could also devolve into a complete and total dumpster fire.

I haven’t read beyond the first page and the last few responses, but I may go back through and see if there’s any discussion actually being had in here later.

[Kaurhz]

It’s actually not that at all. Toxic positivity exists well outside this game, and has for a while. That said, I do believe that there is toxic positivity and enabling of toxic positive behaviors in this game. There’s always been a degree of toxicity in FFXIV, but it does seem to be getting worse as the playerbase grows and the game ages. Kind of to be expected.

But it’s not some crazy invention or meaningless buzzword. It’s very much a real thing.

It's a very real word sure, but the manner in which the community overuses said term and how inappropriately said term is used then yes, yes it becomes pretty meaningless. It's slowly on the rise but it is not anywhere near as prevalent as people on this forum would like to try and overstate. All it results in is gross generalisations applied to the community as a whole. Ironically the embodiment of this very thread. So in the circumstance of this game you'll have a difficult time convincing otherwise. The end result regardless of how you look at it is just something that stifles any form of discussion.

Replying to your edit: I think given the length of your stay you'll probably understand that the end-result is just a taxing back and fourth of playing the blame game, thus a dumpster fire. This thread providing any form of meaningful discourse is just moot, again because this is just an overstated hyperbole. The number of people actually being toxic positivists is much lower than people are led to believe. For this reason and this reason alone meaningful discourse won't really happen, won't change anything. It'll either be an echo-chamber or people biting back at the generalisations. No different from how people are oh-so-eager to label another individual as a white-knight or fanboy for simply disagreeing with a criticism. Equally no different from the folk that seem to think people on the game are immune to criticisms, as if criticism in the first place is a homogenous perspective. All of these examples only serve to highlight the blatant inappropriate-ness of some terms and phrases used.

Equally, there's a certain amount of irony in attacking the developers (Which was very prevalent during server issues), and then expecting to think you can try and deflect any criticism upon yourself with "Lul, more toxic positivity and white knights". As far as I'm concerned, this is just a reap what you sow situation.