Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[Cincierta]

To the random PLD I had while with a friend in Heroes Gauntlet: why did you think it was a good idea to immediately insert yourself into the big Beserker boss butt, vanish from everyone's sights on the screen, have the boss at the very wall you're supposed to not step on, all the while you have me, a DRG, in your party while the boulder mechanic aoes were going out? Why on earth did you think moving the boss right up to the bleed wall was a good idea? We couldn't see where you were at ALL.

I'm not sure why you did not invuln the Space Jam Slam Hammer attack after it jumped from me to the WHM then to you after my boulder got destroyed, resulting in your deletion. I'm also not sure why you were so salty at me after the WHM got you back up and healed to full that you left me to tank Beast Boy for a good minute until your autos got his attention back.

You also never used a single Requiescat nor your magic attacks the entire run, we noticed. We're also wondering why you brought your zombie over to the WHM on the second boss when that would've easily resulted in his death, and a wipe.

I could care less if you boosted or not, but for the love of the Twelve don't bring the boss to the wall and then proceed to stand inside to give him the naughty kinky-doinks. Especially if they're much bigger than you. 75% of the time people don't look at the minimap and instead look at the screen. It doesn't look good and makes the boss think you really do want to go all the way.

[icrot]

Oh boy, my first chat experience, although it was short-lived.



For context, I queued for leveling roulette and got 'The Sunken Temple of Qarn'.

The first 'blind tank' is because there was a rogue bee that we all ignored as it wasn't in our way but right when the tank started moving to the next section it attacked the healer. We killed it with no problem.

The 'bulk' of the conversation was when I said 'ignore it'. We were in the part of the dungeon where there are 2 rooms and you open them with the stone faces, you can ignore that and follow the path straight away though, so I said so. The tank, healer, and I kept going and the Reaper stayed behind, replying with their 'I do content properly', they died and I replied back.

They ragequit and we got a Dragoon 3 seconds later.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Oh boy, my first chat experience, although it was short-lived.



For context, I queued for leveling roulette and got 'The Sunken Temple of Qarn'.

The first 'blind tank' is because there was a rogue bee that we all ignored as it wasn't in our way but right when the tank started moving to the next section it attacked the healer. We killed it with no problem.

The 'bulk' of the conversation was when I said 'ignore it'. We were in the part of the dungeon where there are 2 rooms and you open them with the stone faces, you can ignore that and follow the path straight away though, so I said so. The tank, healer, and I kept going and the Reaper stayed behind, replying with their 'I do content properly', they died and I replied back.

They ragequit and we got a Dragoon 3 seconds later.

lol

One of my favorite things to do when I land there on tank or heals is to let Sprouts/sometimes vets know we don't need the side rooms. I've had many disbelieve me, but I promise to show them at the end and explain what happens if you don't bother with the stones. They're always super surprised, but also fairly appreciative to know they won't fail to open the final boss door at the end if they neglect to pick up the stones. Plus, it saves everyone time; the only time it's worth killing the side rooms is if people are at-level for it, anyway.

Have had a few people stubbornly try to do the side rooms on their own, but they're also the type of people who will resort to cursing the rest of the group out while we've already headed down the stairs to the second boss. Which results in a swift vote kick. (:

[TheMightyMollusk]

Plus, it saves everyone time; the only time it's worth killing the side rooms is if people are at-level for it, anyway.

With EXP now tied to only bosses instead of mobs, it's not even worthwhile then, unless somebody really wants those extra treasure chests at the end.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

With EXP now tied to only bosses instead of mobs, it's not even worthwhile then, unless somebody really wants those extra treasure chests at the end.

Oh heck, I genuinely forgot about that change! Yeah, you're definitely right - though frankly, only one of those chests gives actual dungeon gear that someone might want to equip for better stats during their leveling process. Really not worth the trouble of fighting two extra packs of mobs; most people can get leveling gear pretty easily from the city vendors and the free drop from leveling dungeons.

[Loonies]

The problem with this kind of discussion is that people tend to caricature everything that is said.

No one said that the lack of artifact equipment was normal. I totally agree with you on this one: healers that don't dps; players who don't visit the merchant; and in general runs that take me a very long time when they should be done in about 15 minutes piss me off.

But there is a step between making a comment and leaving. I had the case last time: a tank who reproached (rightly) the lack of dps of the healer. WHM level 90, not a single miracle. They discuss, the WHM doesn't answer much and continues to heal from time to time without participating more than that.

The tank ended up leaving. Penalizing the healer, sure, but also and especially two dps who did their job and had a much longer queue time. Who is the most selfish here, if we reason only in time that we make lose to others?

There is no rule that a level dungeon has to be done in 15 minutes. A healer can do dps if its possible beside healing, i had often groups with the duty finder where i only had time to heal to keep the group alive.

As well as a tank, there is no rule to do wall to wall pulls if the tank does not like this. There is a reason why single groups can be pulled without all other groups.

And yes sometimes you have players with not so good equip or not that good playing, so where is the problem when the dungeon takes a few minutes more because of this. I play FF14 to have fun and only when i have enough time to play so i do not have to count every minute in the dungeon.

[Liam_Harper]

Nah, why should I clutter my armoury space with single job gear that'll be thrown away after literally 2 easy dungeons runs ? For essentially 100 dps ? When people are not even good to begin with and you out dps them in 80 gear ? And in fact it doesn't even matter because it's faceroll as it is ?

If you don't want to clutter your inventory space, don't run the 89 dungeons in DF groups. Either run the 85 dungeon or run with the Trust. Sure it's a little slower but it has the bonus of not needing new gear. It's absolutely selfish to force yourself on groups under-geared when viable alternatives exist.

The tank ended up leaving. Penalizing the healer, sure, but also and especially two dps who did their job and had a much longer queue time. Who is the most selfish here, if we reason only in time that we make lose to others?

The WHM.

The tank played properly and did their job. They aren't obliged to stay and reinforce the healers bad behavior. The fact that the dps didn't kick the healer means the group made majority decision to cater to a playstyle of healers not contributing. The tank is entitled to disagree and as the minority left the group so they could find a replacement who agreed.

[Leyllara]

> Gets into Puppet's Bunker
> Gets to 3rd Boss
> I mark myself with a shiny cross marker and tell people to follow me during pods
> MT drags the boss to the wrong corner
> Everyone follows the tank and die to hammer program
> I watch in tears as towers come and we don't have enough people alive to soak them all
> Repeat

[Merrigan]

If you don't want to clutter your inventory space, don't run the 89 dungeons in DF groups. Either run the 85 dungeon or run with the Trust. Sure it's a little slower but it has the bonus of not needing new gear. It's absolutely selfish to force yourself on groups under-geared when viable alternatives exist.



The WHM.

The tank played properly and did their job. They aren't obliged to stay and reinforce the healers bad behavior. The fact that the dps didn't kick the healer means the group made majority decision to cater to a playstyle of healers not contributing. The tank is entitled to disagree and as the minority left the group so they could find a replacement who agreed.

The tank never gave us a choice - he left, without offering a kick or anything like that. And despite the fact that I was on his side in the chat, also asking for more active participation.

So no, the others did not endorse a certain type of gameplay for the healer. I don't even know how you automatically came to that conclusion.

[RobynDaBank]

Single pulling tank in Qitana Ravel, with a healer who was visibly eager and fine with bigger pulls. Meanwhile... wall to wall pulling tank in Holminster Switch, with a no-damage SGE and the tank admitting that they're still getting used to TBN (there were many, many wipes).

I used to think being healer was being front and center to spectate a group's smallest flaws. I don't think so anymore - as DD I get some very chill seats to watch some odd shenanigans I guess!