Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

[Shurrikhan]

Do we just go and tell anyone who wants a platform-style mode in game to go play something else rather than expanding the game itself?

Do we just go and tell anyone who truly want a Romance mode in game to go play something else rather than expanding the game itself?

Do we just go and tell anyone who wants to turn this game into <insert favorite MMORPG here> to go play something else rather than expanding the game itself?

When they're incohesive with what could naturally be extended from the given game, yes.

But let's not forget what was being asked for here to already be met with "well, go play something else":

• More fixtures of RP, especially in making a character of/for ourselves beyond just the scope of our silent emote responses in the MSQ.
• Things that make us want to go out into the (semi-) open world with other people and do social things, ideally beyond just the carrot and stick of relic grinds and hunts.
• More widely available housing that isn't demolished if we want to take time off for more than 44 days at a time.

Of those, only the last isn't what we'd already have expected from an MMORPG.

[DPZ2]

But let's not forget what was being asked for here to already be met with "well, go play something else":

More fixtures of RP, especially in making a character of/for ourselves beyond just the scope of our silent emote responses in the MSQ.

I haven't run across any threads in the last few years that are asking for RP in-game. Do you mean choices that affect how the game goes foward? That's easy enough to do in a single player game, and an absolute nightmare in a shared world.

Things that make us want to go out into the (semi-) open world with other people and do social things, ideally beyond just the carrot and stick of relic grinds and hunts.

FATES and Hunts are out there. I fail to see what 'social things' people who RP aren't already doing in the open world. You'd have to give examples - just don't use FFXI as an example, please. There isn't anything exciting about traveling long distances through areas where you could be killed for no purpose, especially when there is flight in the game. This game does not have an exploration minigame. Such a minigame would require turning off flight in all areas you could possibly play it.

More widely available housing that isn't demolished if we want to take time off for more than 44 days at a time.

SE had a concept for housing beyond most other games of the day. Most MMORPGs didn't have housing. If they had housing, it was instanced. You can experience instanced housing right now, without fear of the FC room or apartment suddenly disappearing.

I've played other MMORPGs with housing, and this game has by far the richest set of furnishings and themes. The fact is housing is hardware intensive, and thus limited because of the housing features, which is why they don't promise to maintain your house forever and ever.

I suppose they could make massive changes to the housing system, basically turning houses into multi-level apartments or something, with no neighborhoods or external areas for housing. Would that work for you?

Offer up some ideas beyond "make more houses available". What are you willing to lose in order to grant housing for every player, in perpetuity. It isn't going to happen with the current design.

[Shurrikhan]

Offer up some ideas beyond "make more houses available". What are you willing to lose in order to grant housing for every player, in perpetuity. It isn't going to happen with the current design.

These aren't my own ideas --only the ones mentioned most recently before the typical retort of "go play something else"-- so I can't defend or interpolate each accurately on their originators' behalf.

My point was merely that these things aren't so different from XIV that "go play something else" becomes the more reasonable solution; they lie solidly within expansions we've already seen in XIV of what the game provides and entails.