"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Jijifli]

Unfortunately for you, demanding/requiring all players to some unknown "community standard' is specifically a prohibited behavior.

Forgive me a moment, but... They do have AI's literally designed for the minimum expectation. And said AI is perfectly capable of handling w2w.

I don't think it's considered an "unknown community standard" to be bat least on par to a literal bot. A literal bot no less designed specifically to make the run slower than average, so the already in game expectation isn't even an average expectation.

I don't ever, ever wanna think to myself "Dang, I wish I had Thancred instead" when I queue.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Forgive me a moment, but... They do have AI's literally designed for the minimum expectation. And said AI is perfectly capable of handling w2w.

I don't think it's considered an "unknown community standard" to be bat least on par to a literal bot. A literal bot no less designed specifically to make the run slower than average, so the already in game expectation isn't even an average expectation.

I don't ever, ever wanna think to myself "Dang, I wish I had Thancred instead" when I queue.

Here you go.

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It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

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"Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"

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Again, ffxiv is a business open to the public, and players Less skilled than the AI are entitled to enjoy content too.

[Jijifli]

Again, ffxiv is a business open to the public, and players Less skilled than the AI are entitled to enjoy content too.

You're right. They are free to. But if someone really doesn't wanna actually play that content, I'd rather they use the trust system. The AI isn't ever going to care about how slow you take it, how little you interact with the game, or any other excuse to be made.

Heck, soon it'll be updated for ARR, and we're just gonna get more from there until it covers 100% of the MSQ. Once that finally happens, maybe the people who don't wanna actually play either will stick to that too. Right? (They won't just avoid it because they can't clear it with Trusts, right?)

[Atelier-Bagur]

That's quite alright, you can refuse to perform your role or "teach me a lesson" and I will promptly leave the duty so as to avoid friction. I do not bother speaking in game usually, because nearly everything someone says can be misinterpreted as hostile. People get mad whenever someone only types "aoe plz" or "its ok to pull more " no matter how nice you word it.

You may get another person that enables the present behavior, but I wash my hands of the inevitable argument that will occur when a single-pull tank causes an issue in a current levelling dungeon or 90 dungeon and the resulting fallout. That won't be my problem, and my conscience remains clean on that.

Gosh I would hate to even do runs with your attitude. Granted Im one for wall to wall pulls anyway but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing that there's players out there who just think too much of themselves in group content. With me when I sign up for doing roulettes, I go with whatever the flow the group wants to go apace. I value more on making sure everybody else is having a good time no matter their play style, than what I normally try to do. Call me old-fashioned but I always go with whatever the tank I run with decide to go, if Im a healer or a dps. If they want to go at it with one mob at a time go right ahead, if they want to pull more mobs more power to us. Im not gonna be "that guy" who just silently bails just because the tank or group isnt going at the pace I WANT.

At the end of the day though, you're free to keep on doing you, and I'm sure my tsk tsk's at your impatient behavior will not matter to you in the slightest (nor do I expect you to really). Just yeesh, I just cant help but roll my eyes whenever I read your posts sometimes.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Anyway, if a computer AI can handle w2w with the bare minimum use of any skills or cooldowns, people can too.

Least Thancred won't start screaming bloody murder and threatening to MPK people to 'teach them a lesson' like some sort of sociopath when they pull the second pack to him. Which we wouldn't even have to do if they gave Trusts an Engage button, but that's another topic altogether. Which is the only reason I welcome this focus on 'solo playability' via putting Trusts in all content levels, as it's come to a point I'd much rather deal with them over other players (if friends aren't available or I don't feel like tanking).

If you can't do better than an NPC, mayhaps tanking isn't the role you want to be playing.

[ZephyrMenodora]

You're right. They are free to. But if someone really doesn't wanna actually play that content, I'd rather they use the trust system. The AI isn't ever going to care about how slow you take it, how little you interact with the game, or any other excuse to be made.

Heck, soon it'll be updated for ARR, and we're just gonna get more from there until it covers 100% of the MSQ. Once that finally happens, maybe the people who don't wanna actually play either will stick to that too. Right? (They won't just avoid it because they can't clear it with Trusts, right?)

It’s fine to have a preference, but it’s not your decision to make to exclude those players from all roulettes. They are playing the content. Just not to your whims.

[Riardon]

You shouldn't try to pull if you are not a Tank.
Not because tanks cannot pull them back but because it's super annoying for the tank.
You pretty much mess with the position of the mobs making in unescesary hard to pull them back.
Not to mention some smart ashes run around jumbing tinking they are playing Lara Croft or whatever.
There are roles for a reason.
DPS should burn the targets, Healers should heal and support whenever they can and Tanks should pull and manage the crowds.
If you want to pull just play as a tank.

[Kolsykol]

If you're DPS and like to pull, may I recommend ESO or GW2?

[Darksummoner]

This has always been a stupid mentality, and actually one that should also be reworded to say "If you snatch aggro away from the tank then does that mean the tank is super bad"? Cause that is what I do all the time, or so it has been lately. Some tanks just are that bad and don't know their class and how to maintain aggro.

[LeonKeyh]

If you're a tank that prefers pulling single groups, may I recommend Trusts? It's even the same exact game, I'm not suggesting that you go and play a completely different game even though your play style is in the minority (and really has no objective reasoning behind it).

This has always been a stupid mentality, and actually one that should also be reworded to say "If you snatch aggro away from the tank then does that mean the tank is super bad"? Cause that is what I do all the time, or so it has been lately. Some tanks just are that bad and don't know their class and how to maintain aggro.

A tank has to be really really really really really really bad for that to happen, yes. IF the tank has tank stance on, you need to do 10 times the amount of damage as them to pull away from them. I find it very difficult to believe that is happening "all of the time."