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  1. #371
    Player Caurcas's Avatar
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    Caur Kagon
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    Once again I am asking for player uninterested in performing the role to leave it alone. W2W is the norm, tanking is easy, hit your buttons and stay out ahead of the party. "Teaching a lesson" is nothing but griefing.
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  2. #372
    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Thats a huge an unfair generalization to make tbf
    But are they wrong? I don’t think so
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  3. #373
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    Crowe Valtyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Thats a huge an unfair generalization to make tbf
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    But are they wrong? I don’t think so
    Given that my statement has held true for basically every single instance I've encountered of people refusing to play to even a basic modicum of effort, screaming insults at people asking them to do so, and generally refusing to acknowledge any and all other options offered to them when they say "I play to have fun" (such as Trusts, FATEs, Bozja, you name it) - no, I'm really not.

    I'll stop making 'generalizations' when people stop proving the point over, and over, and over, and over again to the point it makes me sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisama View Post
    The average playerbase is mindbogglingly bad at this game.
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    Expecting basic job mechanics is toxic now?
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    If WoW has a toxic negativity problem, XIV has a toxic Positivity problem

  4. #374
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    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    It will forever be a mystery as to why players who claim to want to "take it slow" are seemingly so averse to using Trusts, and insist on subjecting the entirety of Duty Finder to their whims.
    Aside from the issue that Trusts are not available for everything, I wanted to asking a genuine question - Can you use Trusts for Roulettes? If not, I'm sure players of skill levels and attitudes different from yours are trying to use Roulettes for the XP or Tome rewards like everyone else. Not a huge mystery there.

    The number of people extremely dedicated to the game are probably overrepresented on these forums. A higher percentage of people on these forums seem to have little patience for anyone and really only care about themselves. That or they are just so utterly bored with running the dungeons they want them to be over as quickly as possible, which I can understand yet that doesn't mean you have to be so dismissive of newer/less skilled players/tired players who don't want stress after a long day of work/whatever. Luckily my experience in the game is nothing like what I read here on the forums. Also, you are not the entirety of the duty finder.

    If you need your personal standards met, form a group for your duties yourself with people you approve of. Else you agree to be matched with random players who may not play like you. And if you treat those players as some suggest in this thread, I doubt those players really wanted to be matched with you either- no matter how wonderfully competent you think you are at the game and what a gift you think it is for those players to be matched with you. *shrug*
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 02-24-2022 at 02:19 PM.

  5. #375
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    Fenris Pendragon
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    I don't consider tanks who are unable to handle more than 1 pack at a time in any dungeon above level 50 worthy of the time investment needed for me to carry them into content that they will then proceed to slow down for another group of unsuspecting individuals. If a tank is at the bare mininum able to perform on the level of NPC AI, then we're ok, because NPCs can actually handle w2w no problem.

    If you are going into a roulette, the most courteous thing you can do is to be aware of the basic expectations of your role and to not give attitude whenever someone dares to hurry things along for whatever reason. People do not go into roulettes expecting an instance lasting longer than 20 minutes, that is the overarching community standard. Single pulling *will* drag things out to usually 30 minutes or beyond, at which point I cannot justify remaining in the party. There's usually some other unusual behavior going on, like refusing to use cooldowns or not using aoe skills "because the damage is smaller" or other similar excuses I've heard over the years.

    The time for new players to learn their jobs is in pre-50 ARR dungeons or Hall of the Novice. My patience extends only within those dungeons and absolutely not into current levelling or endgame dungeons. You are not entitled to taking up double the amount of time a normal run takes when I could just as easily drop and requeue after 30 minutes of crafting or Beast Tribes. Come 6.1, if you want to "take things slow and relax" then use trusts. Grind experience and tomes to your hearts content with them instead. At that point and beyond when further updates come, there is no more excuses.
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 02-24-2022 at 02:21 PM.
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  6. #376
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I don't consider tanks who are unable to handle more than 1 pack at a time in any dungeon above level 50 worthy of the time investment needed for me to carry them into content that they will then proceed to slow down for another group of unsuspecting individuals. If a tank is at the bare mininum able to perform on the level of NPC AI, then we're ok, because NPCs can actually handle w2w no problem.

    If you are going into a roulette, the most courteous thing you can do is to be aware of the basic expectations of your role and to not give attitude whenever someone dares to hurry things along for whatever reason. People do not go into roulettes expecting an instance lasting longer than 20 minutes, that is the overarching community standard. Single pulling *will* drag things out to usually 30 minutes or beyond, at which point I cannot justify remaining in the party. There's usually some other unusual behavior going on, like refusing to use cooldowns or not using aoe skills "because the damage is smaller" or other similar excuses I've heard over the years.

    The time for new players to learn their jobs is in pre-50 ARR dungeons or Hall of the Novice. My patience extends only within those dungeons and absolutely not into current levelling or endgame dungeons. You are not entitled to taking up double the amount of time a normal run takes when I could just as easily drop and requeue after 30 minutes of crafting or Beast Tribes. Come 6.1, if you want to "take things slow and relax" then use trusts. At that point and beyond when further updates come, there is no more excuses.
    Unfortunately for you, demanding/requiring all players to some unknown "community standard' is specifically a prohibited behavior. Particularly your requirement that content has to be completed in X number of minutes and people have to pull to your liking.

    This is especially true if you end up being condescending towards others who don't play up to your standards.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 02-24-2022 at 02:23 PM.

  7. #377
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    That's quite alright, you can refuse to perform your role or "teach me a lesson" and I will promptly leave the duty so as to avoid friction. I do not bother speaking in game usually, because nearly everything someone says can be misinterpreted as hostile. People get mad whenever someone only types "aoe plz" or "its ok to pull more " no matter how nice you word it.

    You may get another person that enables the present behavior, but I wash my hands of the inevitable argument that will occur when a single-pull tank causes an issue in a current levelling dungeon or 90 dungeon and the resulting fallout. That won't be my problem, and my conscience remains clean on that.
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  8. #378
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    That's quite alright, you can refuse to perform your role or "teach me a lesson" and I will promptly leave the duty so as to avoid friction. I do not bother speaking in game usually, because nearly everything someone says can be misinterpreted as hostile.

    You may get another person that enables the present behavior, but I wash my hands of the inevitable argument that will occur when a single-pull tank causes an issue in a current levelling dungeon or 90 dungeon and the resulting fallout. That won't be my problem, and my conscience remains clean on that.
    Nowhere did I say anything about "teaching you a lesson." Your issue is that your definition of "refusing to perform a role" goes into prohibited behavior.

    The devs have invited players of all skill levels to enjoy the game. They even recently stated so in the live letter where they anticipate some people won't be great at the game. Most content is designed to be cleared with this in mind - including content post level 50 that you believe they shouldn't be able to enjoy with others at all. As long as someone is putting in honest effort to the level they are capable of, they are performing their role. But for you, it doesn't sound like that's good enough on some occasions.
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  9. #379
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    Then we fundamentally disagree on the definition of what constitutes an honest effort in a multiplayer environment. That's perfectly alright, because I retain the option to leave groups according to ToS so long as I don't abruptly disconnect and make replacing missing party members a hassle for the remaining players.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    That is probably for the best for all involved. I only laugh in that you probably save no time whatsoever leaving a dungeon and having to join another one a half hour later. The 5 minutes you would have saved are likely more than lost given you probably spent some time in the dungeon before deciding you were too good for the group and needed to leave anyway.
    I'm an omnicrafter who keeps up with the markeboard and my daily crafting leves. I am still in the process of levelling various Beast Tribe reputations/jobs that have yet to reach level 81. I also have multiple alts, so if I wanted to get into another instance that bad I could easily just switch over to another character. You however do not retain the ability to lord the status of "tank=leader" over my head given my variety of options for my time. 30 minutes allocated to these other activities is time better spent than enabling gameplay that I do not consider appropriate beyond a certain level.
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 02-24-2022 at 02:42 PM.
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  10. #380
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Then we fundamentally disagree on the definition of what constitutes an honest effort in a multiplayer environment. That's perfectly alright, because I retain the option to leave groups according to ToS so long as I don't abruptly disconnect and make replacing missing party members a hassle for the remaining players.
    That is probably for the best for all involved. I only laugh in that you probably save no time whatsoever leaving a dungeon and having to join another one a half hour later. The 5 minutes you would have saved are likely more than lost given you probably spent some time in the dungeon before deciding you were too good for the group and needed to leave anyway.
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