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    Destroy ALL Housing! Replace with... (Please hear me out)

    I think at this point most of the player base can agree that our current housing system is just not working for our game. Don't get me wrong it was a great idea to have neighborhoods with houses near each other to visit friends. The housing and the decorating is amazing in this game and here lies one of our biggest drawbacks. There is a fun and engaging part of the game but with limited access where not everyone will get to fully enjoy it.

    I think the entire housing system should be scraped! Yes, completely destroyed, all of it, the FC housing, the personal housing and all the apartments.

    Why? This will create a ton of space on the servers for an complete overhaul.

    Personal Housing: (How I imagine the most fair way of implementing personal housing)
    -Player reaches certain point in main story and gets access to Limsa/Gridania/Ul'dah housing
    -Player gets further into parts of the story, unlocks Ishgard, Kugane, Sharlayan, Radz-at-Han (any other major city included)
    -All Personal Housing is instanced
    -Player can only own 1 personal instance at a time
    -Player can switch instances every 30 real life days (example), for 100k Gil (example)
    -The instance is always the same size, the only thing that changes is the background depending on city bought/transferred to.
    -When switching instances everything on the plot will remain in the same place just the background location changes.
    -A workbench is present inside the instance, from this Workbench all materials will be constructed.
    -Players are not limited to size of house or even a house at all, the empty plot can be decorated as desired (ex: garden, house, ruin, beach scene, etc. )
    -The Workbench allows players to craft raw items into walls, furniture, plants and so on
    -There is no longer and inside and outside zone of the house, allowing the creation of walls within the workbench that can be selected with different designs for each side.
    -There is no requirement to have a square shaped house, you are only limited by your imagination,
    -The house/garden/project players build will be pieced together wall by wall, and item by item like a jigsaw puzzle.
    -The raw materials for the Workbench are acquired threw gathering, crafting, quests, dungeons, timeworn maps and so on.
    -This personal housing will also allow friends to visit if you set your instance to open (type in players name in the search bar under that city's instanced housing and if it's set to open then friends may visit)

    (What about the players that already own housing in the here and now, will they lose everything? No, depending on the size of personal house you currently own you will get an automatic amount of materials in your Workbench, the larger the plot you currently own the more raw materials you will be compensated with this new system.)

    Free Company Housing: (How I imagine free company housing should work)
    -A free company is formed as usual with signatures
    -At a rank 6 (example) the free company gains access to buying a “Hall”
    -Similar to the personal housing the FC leader picks a city location and buys a location for a fee (a menu in the FC will allow donations for the purpose of the FC Hall only)
    -FC Hall location can be switched to a different city style once every 60 days (example), for 1mil Gil (example)
    -Unlike the personal housing though the FC Hall is only the interior and also an instance.
    -The Free Company Hall interior is already premade (the city it was bought in determines the style of the Hall)
    -The decorating of the Hall is very limited, to style and color of curtains, banners, rugs, etc.
    -The Free Company logo is displayed on the banners (Logos will also be expanded in styles)
    -The Fee Company Hall will contain all the basic necessities, like a mail box, summon bell and even a Market board right in the hall in pre designated location.
    -There will be a new type of board also available in the FC Hall only, the Scheduling board, where FC members can write down dates and times for events for their members.
    -The FC Hall will award the members with trophies (for example: as a combined effort of everyone in the FC if they defeat Shiva EX: 100 times) A trophy (Shiva life size statue for example) will become available to be placed inside the Hall.
    -Many trophies such as statues, busts, plaques will become available as the FC reaches milestones as a combined effort.
    -As the FC ranks up more parts of the Hall will be unlocked such as, a bathhouse, gardens, dinning area, etc.

    (For Free Companies that currently own a House the new system will wave the fee to compensate for their past efforts, sections of the FC Hall will also be automatically unlocked if the current FC is of required rank.)

    In conclusion I believe the entirety of the current housing system should be fully destroyed, ripped out to it's roots, to make room for something that's more fair and rewarding for our player base as a whole.

    Instanced Personal housing allows everyone to have access to housing and the workbench system allows for creativity and imagination beyond just a house.

    Free Company Hall allows goals and rewards as a team while also allowing a way to scheduled events. Limited decorating other then basic Hall style and FC coloring keeps the system more fair for other members of the FC who isn't the leader to be in charge of the decorating.

    Keeping the System of the Personal Housing being something more towards creativity for the individual and the Free Company Hall more towards group goals, you are not only differentiating the two as very separate parts of the game but also creating more, equal and rewarding game play.
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    Just bid on the plot you want at 6.1, if you didn't get it, just get an apartment and get over with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SerenityLuministia View Post
    I think the entire housing system should be scraped! Yes, completely destroyed, all of it, the FC housing, the personal housing and all the apartments.
    I think you should stop punishing other players in the game. Housing has done, and is doing that enough. We don't need to add to the torture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Just bid on the plot you want at 6.1, if you didn't get it, just get an apartment and get over with it.
    This isn't about me. I don't need a plot/house, I already have both a house and an apartment. I am willing to give up what I already have for the betterment of our player base as a whole and for something for all of us to enjoy in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    I think you should stop punishing other players in the game. Housing has done, and is doing that enough. We don't need to add to the torture.
    It may feel like punishment at first but think about the long term benefits, especially as our player base grows. Something needs to be sacrificed so that there can be room for growth and there can something better in it's place. I am not just complaining but providing feasible alternatives that I've thought about in great length so that all of us can have a fair shot at enjoying all the features of our game.
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    If anyone needs a TLDR for this block of rambling text; "If I can't have nice things, no one can."

    Try building on the system in a good way, not the way that destroys everyone else's good time just because you haven't been able to have your own good time yet. We don't need to scrap entire established systems that players have spent gillions on and sometimes years perfecting just because you are upset you cannot get a piece of digital property of your own.

    All your ideas, even the good ones, are destroyed by you wanting to punish thousands of players just because you feel left out instead of coming up with a solution that benefits everyone.
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    Feasible alternatives? "Hey, Square Enix, remember that housing system that's limited by your lack of server resources? I have a great idea! Scrap that and replace with even more resource extensive one!"

    The instanced housing crusaders fail to realize that if SE had ability to provide every player with 600 furnishings slot instanced house we would not be having limited amount of wards anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    If anyone needs a TLDR for this block of rambling text; "If I can't have nice things, no one can."

    Try building on the system in a good way, not the way that destroys everyone else's good time just because you haven't been able to have your own good time yet. We don't need to scrap entire established systems that players have spent gillions on and sometimes years perfecting just because you are upset you cannot get a piece of digital property of your own.

    All your ideas, even the good ones, are destroyed by you wanting to punish thousands of players just because you feel left out instead of coming up with a solution that benefits everyone.
    "Rambling Text"?
    You didn't read my ideas then and were just triggered by my drastic approach.

    "If I can't have nice things, no one can."?
    Like I already said this isn't about me and what I want, nor that I can't have a good time. I already stated I have a house and had it for years, I love it, I love decorating and I have spent millions of Gil invested in it. I have tons of fun with it. What bothers me though is the fact that I'm in the minority and I want everyone to have an equal shot at having fun.

    My solution is to benefit everyone, and to benefit them all equally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Feasible alternatives? "Hey, Square Enix, remember that housing system that's limited by your lack of server resources? I have a great idea! Scrap that and replace with even more resource extensive one!"

    The instanced housing crusaders fail to realize that if SE had ability to provide every player with 600 furnishings slot instanced house we would not be having limited amount of wards anyway.
    Afaik, the housing ward system was a design decision on SE's part, not a server limitation one in regard to giving everyone an instanced house. Something along the lines of liking the neighbourhood aspect it could create.
    Housing plots weren't even available for purchase by individual players at the start, and were entirely exclusive to FCs. They likely didn't expect just how popular housing would become, once they did allow individual players to buy them. The result being the current shortage on a lot of servers.

    Although I'm not really a fan of OP's way of simply scrapping the entire system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Feasible alternatives? "Hey, Square Enix, remember that housing system that's limited by your lack of server resources? I have a great idea! Scrap that and replace with even more resource extensive one!"

    The instanced housing crusaders fail to realize that if SE had ability to provide every player with 600 furnishings slot instanced house we would not be having limited amount of wards anyway.
    For starters lets be honest neither you nor I know how much server resources the current housing system takes, nor do we know how much server resources my alternative idea will take. All I know is that scraping the current system will give us resources that could be used more efficiently.

    As for "if SE had the ability to provide every player with..." They have already demonstrated in the past that they can to some extent. Just look at Final Fantasy XI, everyone had an instanced house in that game, you started out with it. That game is almost 20 years old and in it's peak, everyone still had instanced housing. To elaborate further, when you moved you alliance to a different city your furniture would stay in place while the house would change location and the walls and the like would change to the new city's style.

    (Before someone gets triggered and tells me to go play FFXI then, I do, I actively still play both FFXIV and FFXI)
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