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[SeverianLyonesse]

People don't need to agree that SE should add more DPS or buff of whatever.
We just need to agree that healing is not (and hasn't been) in a good state for ages.

No damage enough to heal. And when we don't heal we have nothing to do apart from 1 button spam. In ANY content level.

People have tank anxiety but even so they have more things to do and are less boring than healers (not saying that tanks are in a good situation tho).

Eh I think complaining from the "not enough damage" perspective is not very tenable the way XIV is designed. The devs prioritize and the game has flourished under a philosophy of accessibility, and making the core job duties too difficult just isn't a direction the devs are likely or willing to take the game.

[WaxSw]

Eh I think complaining from the "not enough damage" perspective is not very tenable the way XIV is designed. The devs prioritize and the game has flourished under a philosophy of accessibility, and making the core job duties too difficult just isn't a direction the devs are likely or willing to take the game.

I'm all about giving healers more downtime options instead of just upping the damage (as downtime happens everywhere) but one thing is caring for accesibility and another different one is having a completely unbalanced healing, having easier dungeons while leveling and good tutorials are for accesibility, echo is for accesibility, having all the max level dungeons, both of the current extremes and the first floor of the current savage tier cleared without healers is a case of unbalanced healing.

[QooEr]

I'm all about giving healers more downtime options instead of just upping the damage (as downtime happens everywhere) but one thing is caring for accesibility and another different one is having a completely unbalanced healing, having easier dungeons while leveling and good tutorials are for accesibility, echo is for accesibility, having all the max level dungeons, both of the current extremes and the first floor of the current savage tier cleared without healers is a case of unbalanced healing.

to add on this, the first and last boss of lv81 dungeon is actually a lot of fun to heal. its not even extreme level healing but it still requires a lot more healing than the usual normal stuff. if a player can get through zot, why did they make every dungeon and normal trial and normal raid and even EX1 require so much less healing to the point healers arent even needed? i was pleasantly surprised by this first dungeon, but was quickly disappointed again by the rest of the endwalker content.

[Atelier-Bagur]

to add on this, the first and last boss of lv81 dungeon is actually a lot of fun to heal. its not even extreme level healing but it still requires a lot more healing than the usual normal stuff. if a player can get through zot, why did they make every dungeon and normal trial and normal raid and even EX1 require so much less healing to the point healers arent even needed? i was pleasantly surprised by this first dungeon, but was quickly disappointed again by the rest of the endwalker content.

uh...I'm gonna disagree on that, to me the rest of the current dungeon designs the mobs and bosses still pack a punch if you're not too careful with keeping the tank alive so I still wind up using most of my healing abilities than aiding on dps. Just my experience when I leveled up healer classes via lv.81-90 dungeons.

[Deceptus]

to add on this, the first and last boss of lv81 dungeon is actually a lot of fun to heal. its not even extreme level healing but it still requires a lot more healing than the usual normal stuff. if a player can get through zot, why did they make every dungeon and normal trial and normal raid and even EX1 require so much less healing to the point healers arent even needed? i was pleasantly surprised by this first dungeon, but was quickly disappointed again by the rest of the endwalker content.

Sadly leveling dungeons often require much more healing that max level dungeons and EX content. Been that way for a while.

just gonna leave this right here

This is 100% meaningless because the Adventurer in Need doesn't update in real time.

Often times you'll see a tank in need, queue up and have a 1-5 min wait. See that, swap to healer, instant queue.

This is almost universally always true for Expert Dungeon, 5678, and leveling.

[Alpheus]

Sadly leveling dungeons often require much more healing that max level dungeons and EX content. Been that way for a while.



This is 100% meaningless because the Adventurer in Need doesn't update in real time.

Often times you'll see a tank in need, queue up and have a 1-5 min wait. See that, swap to healer, instant queue.

This is almost universally always true for Expert Dungeon, 5678, and leveling.

Its a little bit funny that even with something like Adventurer in Need Healers still get screwed out of rewards that should be given to them (their role being needed being confirmed by the instant queues in the example you listed) Just adds to this overall feeling of malaise that Healers just aren't appreciated until things go horribly wrong but then what else is new lol

[Chopstix]

Sadly leveling dungeons often require much more healing that max level dungeons and EX content. Been that way for a while.



This is 100% meaningless because the Adventurer in Need doesn't update in real time.

Often times you'll see a tank in need, queue up and have a 1-5 min wait. See that, swap to healer, instant queue.

This is almost universally always true for Expert Dungeon, 5678, and leveling.

EXCEPT, in need is almost always for tanks. Even alliance raids (sometimes DPS in need pops up like in the SS). On a tank role if i dont get an insta pop or close to it, im a bit surprised.

[SeverianLyonesse]

having all the max level dungeons, both of the current extremes and the first floor of the current savage tier cleared without healers is a case of unbalanced healing.

Okay, now that you point this out I will concede that damage needs to be upped as well. Otherwise we might as well just switch to a holy binity.

This does bring up an interesting question, though. Past MMOs devolved into the holy trinity due to how players elected to prioritize roles when given full control over role kits and party composition. But FFXIV forces jobs into roles, and moreover forces party composition in a lot of instances (like, for example. forcing random parties to have a Tank, Healer, Melee DPS, and Ranged DPS). I'm wondering if this could be leaned into further and new roles created as part of mandatory content balancing.

[WaxSw]

Okay, now that you point this out I will concede that damage needs to be upped as well. Otherwise we might as well just switch to a holy binity.

This does bring up an interesting question, though. Past MMOs devolved into the holy trinity due to how players elected to prioritize roles when given full control over role kits and party composition. But FFXIV forces jobs into roles, and moreover forces party composition in a lot of instances (like, for example. forcing random parties to have a Tank, Healer, Melee DPS, and Ranged DPS). I'm wondering if this could be leaned into further and new roles created as part of mandatory content balancing.

Tbh with this dev team I can't see it happening, would require so many rebalancing of older content that the resources consumed may not be deemed worthy