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    Rulakir's Avatar
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    Sajah Lane
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    At the very least we had some dialogue options to give disdain and disagree with Emet. We didn’t even get that with Venat. The only thing we get is to call her out on her lies to the watcher and it’s immediately handwaved. She also gets her own minion calling her a hero. Emet didn’t get that(Emet hasn’t gotten any minion sadly).
    We only had negative (or at best neutral) dialog towards Emet. Even with Zenos I had the option to "accept" him before the Shinryu battle. The only negative options for Hydaelyn are before you go to Elpis. At most you get to say you can't trust her because she's a primal and question the Watcher about the origin story she told you. Once you meet Venat everything is downhill from there, you'll never get another opportunity to say anything to her that isn't kind or favorable.

    I think more people should NG+ ShB after EW. Going back in hindsight you recognize a lot more. G'raha and Thancred hated Emet. Y'shtola tells Emet they can't abide by him killing millions to restore his world. I honestly don't know where this "it was only Alisaie" comes from because it was most definitely not just her. Alphinaud was only stumped because he couldn't think of a good counter-argument to Emet at the last because he was right, half of the sundered wouldn't sacrifice themselves to save the other half.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Certainly, there's a mismatch between the degree of reverence for Hydaelyn and her actions, but rather than wishing to see her equally admonished, I wish the reason for the admonishment never happened.

    I don't find any joy at all in this "actually everyone was flawed and did terrible things by choice" revelation. I just wanted a story about likeable people doing their best to make the world better, even if (for the ancients) things went wrong in the end.
    I expected the sundering to be accidental. I thought that was the whole reason for the setup of making Zodiark the "will of the star" and Emet saying when he was sundered everything associated with him was too. The decision to make the sundering of everyone intentional and with knowledge of the future is baffling.

    It's not mentioned as much as it should be, but having the WoL being an accomplice was horrible too. We're essentially responsible for knocking over that first domino by making the mistake of trusting Venat with knowledge of the future to misuse. I don't want that kind of guilt and responsibility. The WoL wasn't involved in assisting any rejoinings, but we're directly involved in causing the whole sundering mess in the first place. That sucks.
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    Rannie's Avatar
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    It's not mentioned as much as it should be, but having the WoL being an accomplice was horrible too. We're essentially responsible for knocking over that first domino by making the mistake of trusting Venat with knowledge of the future to misuse. I don't want that kind of guilt and responsibility. The WoL wasn't involved in assisting any rejoinings, but we're directly involved in causing the whole sundering mess in the first place. That sucks.
    I dont know if I would call the WoL an accomplice exactly to what Venat did. Remember while it was she who realized that our character was from the future it was all of them including Emet that forced our character to speak about it. Also ultimately it was Venat herself who decided to act the way she did. Heck before we even leave we have the option to say that maybe we should stay in the past to assist them.

    One other telling thing as well is I think our character was kinda hoping that after we told Emet about what happened, he would then help us in any way shape and form. Especially after what Hythlodaeus had told us what he did about him. Unfortunately that hope ended up getting dashed when, what I would call, fate conspiring against it and causing those two to forget. But that's just my thoughts...
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    Last edited by Rannie; 02-23-2022 at 01:22 PM.
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