Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[Lucida3b]

Honestly, I don't feel like Endwalker needed much to make it at least on par with Shadowbringers.

Its biggest detractors were the awkward pacing and the insanely convoluted time travel/causal loop they decided to use as their lazy resolution to the Hydaelyn/Zodiark conflict. In all seriousness I'm feeling like it was done specifically to avoid having to place too much effort into fleshing out Venat's motives when they could just attempt to justify it as "I did this because the future said so...oh, and dynamis".

Personally I dont think its the time travel itself is the primary issue, its the things the time travel is utilized for is the biggest issue (After all alexander has a timeloop vs the towers splitting of the timelines)

Which is obviously Venat/Hydealyn and the Sundering as said before, and even then the biggest issue is primarily the literal last 10-20 minutes of Elpis. And Honestly you can kinda see the threads of differing ideas at times if you wanna tinfoil hat slightly, as someone earlier noted on how they could've gone with the Elidibus thing and have Venat not really know who she was anymore. You could argue if there is a trace element of that maybe when Hydealyn had to take a moment to remember the WoL again, which feels a bit odd considering Hydealyns earlier appearance on the boat to sharlayan and the varying messages she does through Krile.

Honestly I feel like some of the apparent pushback outside of the character/story issues is just due to how tight and well written Shadowbringers was, the moment you went to the first it immediately layed out rules and justifications for currency, travel between worlds and several other things in a incredibly tightly well written way, so the sloppiness of parts of Endwalker stand out a lot

[KizuyaKatogami]

Personally I dont think its the time travel itself is the primary issue, its the things the time travel is utilized for is the biggest issue (After all alexander has a timeloop vs the towers splitting of the timelines)

Which is obviously Venat/Hydealyn and the Sundering as said before, and even then the biggest issue is primarily the literal last 10-20 minutes of Elpis. And Honestly you can kinda see the threads of differing ideas at times if you wanna tinfoil hat slightly, as someone earlier noted on how they could've gone with the Elidibus thing and have Venat not really know who she was anymore. You could argue if there is a trace element of that maybe when Hydealyn had to take a moment to remember the WoL again, which feels a bit odd considering Hydealyns earlier appearance on the boat to sharlayan and the varying messages she does through Krile.

Honestly I feel like some of the apparent pushback outside of the character/story issues is just due to how tight and well written Shadowbringers was, the moment you went to the first it immediately layed out rules and justifications for currency, travel between worlds and several other things in a incredibly tightly well written way, so the sloppiness of parts of Endwalker stand out a lot

I think it’s also the fact yknow, this is the ending expansion for a 10+ year arc, and it was delayed heavily. People probably thought they’d be getting the money’s worth and a semi coherent story. What we got was basically a story that the devs were tired of and just tried to wrap things up incredibly quickly with barely any acknowledgement and the loose threads are plentiful.

[Rulakir]

I think it’s also the fact yknow, this is the ending expansion for a 10+ year arc, and it was delayed heavily. People probably thought they’d be getting the money’s worth and a semi coherent story. What we got was basically a story that the devs were tired of and just tried to wrap things up incredibly quickly with barely any acknowledgement and the loose threads are plentiful.

Additionally, it's the fact that the Hydaelyn & Zodiark saga is the foundation of the lore for the world and the team just seems to want to be done with it. Any unanswered questions or unaddressed plot points? Too bad, we're not doing that anymore. Not to mention that despite it being billed as a 10 year arc the Ascians and their motivations were only fleshed out in ShB. It's more like a 2 year story that abruptly came to an end because Yoshi-P specifically seemed to be tired of it since Ishikawa mentioned going to 7.0 or 8.0.

I don't understand it either because the story and its characters were popular. I'd like to know what the team dislikes about it so much that they're in such a rush to do something new when it seems like at least half or more of the playerbase didn't want to be finished with it yet.