Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

[LittleImp]

I agree that they're chasing the entirely wrong demographic.

The game's population exploded over the past year, due to a massive influx of people interested in the game because it's an mmorpg. Timid, single-player 'holdouts' are a drop in the ocean in comparison, and not worth potentially compromising an opportunity to please a demographic that is already known to be highly active and lucrative. This feels like another example of the developers being largely out-of-touch with the NA/EU playerbase, where most of the population expansion has been focused.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I agree that they're chasing the entirely wrong demographic.

The game's population exploded over the past year, due to a massive influx of people interested in the game because it's an mmorpg. Timid, single-player 'holdouts' are a drop in the ocean in comparison, and not worth potentially compromising an opportunity to please a demographic that is already known to be highly active and lucrative. This feels like another example of the developers being largely out-of-touch with the NA/EU playerbase, where most of the population expansion has been focused.

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features, looking at PF on aether lol.

I thought people got sick of wow being a mindless grind fest, don't want xivs endgame turning into that.

[LittleImp]

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features, looking at PF on aether lol.

Content PFs have, and always will, vastly VASTLY outnumber RP pfs. There were times during this patch-cycle where the PF was hitting 130+ parties in the high-end section alone. Even now during extreme off-hours for NA, content PFs outnumber RP pfs by a factor of over 10 to 1 on Primal. The vast majority of players in this game do not get their primary entertainment out of acting out the same pretend bar scene 5000 times.

I thought people got sick of wow being a mindless grind fest, don't want xivs endgame turning into that.

How does just adding more content automatically make something a mindless grind fest? WoW is like that because they specifically engineered character progression systems around that, literally no one is asking for that.

More content in existing categories, or earlier/incremental releases of higher longevity content wouldn't magically force players to grind. Content with higher degrees of replayability like Deep Dungeon or Bozja/Eureka are released incredibly late into the expansion, and are usually somehow less complete than their previous iteration for some reason. Many players have abandoned doing things like expert roulette altogether due to the mind-numbing lack of variety created by 1 dungeon per patch. Even lifestyle systems like restoration and or island sanctuary won't appear until like 6.2.

[AeredonXI]

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features, looking at PF on aether lol.

I thought people got sick of wow being a mindless grind fest, don't want xivs endgame turning into that.

Are you really looking at the PF? Because over 70% of it is savage pugs.

[Fiorinol]

Are you really looking at the PF? Because over 70% of it is savage pugs.

After my raid group broke up, I tried doing Party Finder for about two weeks. Doing P1S and P2S is okay, but trying to reclear P3S is a nightmare. Most groups cannot do the adds phase even in Duty Complete groups. If we manage to do it, I have to blow my entire re-opener on adds. Many of the groups you see in Party Finder just aren't good enough to clear/reclear the content.

Finding a group at this point in the raid tier is difficult and I'm settling on casual statics. Overall it's a frustrating experience as it makes finding a group for ultimate content exceedingly difficult. It's a lot of spending time not playing the game.

[IdowhatIwant]

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features, looking at PF on aether lol.

I thought people got sick of wow being a mindless grind fest, don't want xivs endgame turning into that.

There is a difference between a grind fest, and being able to log in and do something. Other than running a roulette for tome stones, and savage there really isn't that much to do as a long time player.

Please provide proof of your claim, because as far as I can see this company has enough proof for them to invest in more solo content. A company as large as SE would not invest in this aspect of the game if there were not a call for it. What are you worried about? Why force your preferred play style on anyone? This game was never about raiders I think you may have confused this game with a game that only caters to raiders. Just because there are a bunch of other players on your screen doesn't mean you have to interact with all of them. It's like going to a club and thinking you have to say hi to every single person you pass. It's a rather ridiculous notion and I am a older player and guess what I only talk to my FC and mostly do content by myself. I do two fights from the duty roulette just for the tombstones other wise I do trusts. I don't get why people are so controlling of others game play.

The recent live letter they are essentially making the trust system for all MSQ content. Thus making this game pretty much have a single player mode. Now no one said anything about catering to raiders, you always seem to bring this up in your posts for reasons beyond me. This is a subscription based MMO and should provide more content for online cooperative play than it would single player play. This is the point of an MMO AKA massive multiplayer online game. That being said, I do not believe it is smart to expect more players to want to play FFXIV because of a single player mode. No one is going to want to play a subscription based singe player game. If people choose to be anti social, that is fine, but this behaviour should not reflect the design philosophy of the game.

[Snorky]

There is a difference between a grind fest, and being able to log in and do something. Other than running a roulette for tome stones, and savage there really isn't that much to do as a long time player.



The recent live letter they are essentially making the trust system for all MSQ content. Thus making this game pretty much have a single player mode. Now no one said anything about catering to raiders, you always seem to bring this up in your posts for reasons beyond me. This is a subscription based MMO and should provide more content for online cooperative play than it would single player play. This is the point of an MMO AKA massive multiplayer online game. That being said, I do not believe it is smart to expect more players to want to play FFXIV because of a single player mode. No one is going to want to play a subscription based singe player game. If people choose to be anti social, that is fine, but this behaviour should not reflect the design philosophy of the game.

I am well aware of how MMOs work. Iamnot against group content as I am not against solo content. I have been playing MMO's since the late 80s, turn based, text, 2d, etc. Some are too group dependant and gate many people from playing. This has been the way it's worked for too many years. Everything evolves. What I do not agree with is another player telling another player how they should enjoy a game. It's why I asked the questions I asked that got ignored. You are labeling people as anti social because you feel?, Why? Are you threatened by someone who would like to accomplish something by themselves? Whose design philosophy? Apparently not Yoshi P's. Maybe thinking outside of the box once in a while will help with your strict definition of what a MMO means.

[nighttimebunny]

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features, looking at PF on aether lol.

I thought people got sick of wow being a mindless grind fest, don't want xivs endgame turning into that.

People trying to turn FFXIV into WoW. It's kind of sad.

[Shurrikhan]

And what does the NA playerbase want? To me, it seems they want RP features...

People trying to turn FFXIV into WoW. It's kind of sad.

Because "RP features" are so antithetical to XIV?

And if we're to talk grind... we already lead plentifully in that regard, between tomestones, relics, and massively slow-to-reach achievements.

[Ixon]

A practice can be both (A) resource-intensive to the point of fairly hard limits and (B) predatory.

They decided to build houses in this resource-intensive way, after all, and then quickly went back on their promise never to require sustained subscriptions just to keep said houses.

Ah yes, the company that suspended auto-demolition on multiple occasions due to server congestion or a pandemic is truly "predatory". I for one think it's a fantastic idea for people who haven't logged on in months to occupy a house that someone who actively plays could reside in. True. True. The fact that they even added houses to what a trash heap 2.0 framework was isn't astounding at all. It's not like they have been putting in sub-optimal additions to a busted framework just cause players asked for it since 2.0 or anything close to that. I would like a source on "then quickly went back on their promise never to require sustained subscriptions just to keep said houses."

Does the housing system need rework, yes. Could they implement it better, yes. Is it "predatory" - "seeking to exploit or oppress others"? Highly doubtful. The entire lifespan of the game has been an adventure of "add a thing, issues with the thing, patch the thing until we can rework the thing". Of course the original housing is faulty, it was added in 2013? Almost nothing in the game from 2013 still exists, housing is just a bigger item to handle.

Because "RP features" are so antithetical to XIV?

And if we're to talk grind... we already lead plentifully in that regard, between tomestones, relics, and massively slow-to-reach achievements.

You can cap current weekly tomestones in like 4 hours. The Relic is SUPPOSED to be a grind, literally designed that way. Not to mention modern relics aren't nearly as bad as ARR relics. "massively slow-to-reach achievements" This is an MMO right? First of all, there is not a "massive" amount, 2nd even if there was, oh no, SE added a goal to reach while I have been playing this game for years. Like what even is there? Hunts? FL wins? Commendations? Sure some might take a while if you are brand new, but most you just end up getting passively by just playing the game.