Quote Originally Posted by Sigiria View Post
Imo it's all in the context. Going out of your way to pull more without making sure if the other people in the party are comfortable with it might just result in a wipe and ironically extend the time the duty would have otherwise taken.

As an example I had a Vanaspati run where the tank wasn't confident about their ability to double pull. Healer wasn't great and the first double pull was very shaky, the other dps wasn't great either considering I was doing 70% of the party damage as BRD. But they still insisted on wanting to do double pulls, healer rushing to grab the second pack of mobs and dying before they could get back to the tank that did try to take the mobs off them when they noticed. We ended up doing that pull 4 times and moved on only because we managed to nuke one mob each pull. Dungeon ended up taking 10 more minutes than it could have.

I like a smooth run with wall to wall pull too but if the tank or the healer are not confident in their abilities then just silently choosing for them to deal with more than they can handle won't help anyone and will just make things worse for the whole party and can just as much be considered griefing.

On the other end of the spectrum you've got the tanks that go ballistic with the "you pull you tank" anytime someone accidentally pull something even when they apologize, and yeah that can also be a pretty toxic behavior.
It all lean on people being at least semi-decent human being with basic communication skills.
Your example is an unfortunate one but doesnt really spell out that anyone intended to hold other people back when overconfidence and internally blaming wipes on the mistakes of others are very likely explanations. Contrary to popular believe, overconfidence is a fast and hilarious killer. A YPYT however is directly admitting to wanting to kill their ally/allies. There isnt really a both sides argument to be made here, not without heavily moving goalposts.