Let's all brace ourselves for no healer mention in any capacity for the upcoming LL

[AziraSyuren]

Square believes that the overwhelming majority of healer players are nosepicking Sylphies with healthbar-related anxiety disorders.

That's because they are, lmao

As much as the forums would lead you to believe otherwise, most healer (and tank, and dps) mains care more about the fantasy then the gameplay. They chronically overheal without putting much thought into it and sometimes do reasonably competent damage.

Even if you look at the forums, you get so many contradictory ideas on what healer mains want that it's impossible to actually listen to them.

To be perfectly honest, no other role in the game is less unified on what they want it to be.

It's frustrating that they don't make healers any better, but it makes sense that they don't listen to the forums when they clearly have no idea what they want.

[Mortex]

This is why I initially said the question had to be reworded. He gave the EXACT answer I was expecting him to give from that wording. Let's take this as a lesson and next time focus on the fact that the skill ceiling is too low and that in EVERY piece of content be it leveling or ultimate, we're still pressing 1-1-1 80% of the time.
We should really focus on gameplay changes for the role. NOT content.

They give the exact same freaking answer since around 5 years, like even people that are not that smart would realize that maybe the question is a bit bad translated or very important for a lot of player in general. Like if I see the main healer player base go apeshit for over 4 years and then tell them “lol just go ultimates if you wanna heal some more”. As the director none the, less after telling “well ofc we play our own game what did you think ? “ When I see this response I have the scene from the naked guy in my head we’re the entire theater facepalms after they swap the gun and the bomb. And I could go on and on and on about how they took the healer role and ripped it into shreds and how they think they know so much better what too do you with the healer in general. The irony is that I’m a meele dps now so I don’t even have too care anymore, but I’m want because healer is as my main role for a long time and I still want people too be happy and have fun.

[Semirhage]

That's because they are, lmao

As much as the forums would lead you to believe otherwise, most healer (and tank, and dps) mains care more about the fantasy then the gameplay. They chronically overheal without putting much thought into it and sometimes do reasonably competent damage.

Even if you look at the forums, you get so many contradictory ideas on what healer mains want that it's impossible to actually listen to them.

To be perfectly honest, no other role in the game is less unified on what they want it to be.

It's frustrating that they don't make healers any better, but it makes sense that they don't listen to the forums when they clearly have no idea what they want.

And yet somehow they manage to design a few DPS jobs with both accessibility and a decent skill ceiling. But they don't do that for healers, because they don't care about designing healers well.

[Deceptus]

That's because they are, lmao

As much as the forums would lead you to believe otherwise, most healer (and tank, and dps) mains care more about the fantasy then the gameplay. They chronically overheal without putting much thought into it and sometimes do reasonably competent damage.

Even if you look at the forums, you get so many contradictory ideas on what healer mains want that it's impossible to actually listen to them.

To be perfectly honest, no other role in the game is less unified on what they want it to be.

It's frustrating that they don't make healers any better, but it makes sense that they don't listen to the forums when they clearly have no idea what they want.

And we have went over this time and time again. Adding more interesting gameplay / dps options literally affect the zero dps crowd in zero ways. They're still going to be heal bots who don't push damage buttons.

Meanwhile, the other healers who find enjoyment in other ways can.

There can and should be a middle ground because no other job is subjected to the playstyle that we are. If they were, they would riot.

[MellowMink]

Thinking about that dismissive answer again honestly has me more annoyed now… I wish that the director would put out a clarifying statement or something, because that was one of the rudest responses that I’ve seen to a really sincere and highly voted question.

[MellowMink]

Also, I want to reminder healers who don’t like attacking that damage is the name of the game in Final Fantasy XIV, that taking down enemies faster also means less player damage to heal, and most importantly that healer jobs are not intended to be an easy mode that magically gives you dramatically less responsibility toward the collective goal than other players. Yes, you’ll be damaging less often for parts of some instances by the nature of healing, but if you’re never doing the former at all and would rather just stand around, then I have to question why you’re expecting others in Duty Finder or Party Finder to not want to kick you out in the first place.

Enrage and DPS check mechanics also still exist, plus you have to frequently attack throughout the main story quests; how else have you been clearing almost any story content while playing as a healer job? Just auto-attacking everything and having each quest take a ludicrous amount of time to finish? You should attack a fair amount, especially during downtime; this isn’t World of Warcraft.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Wish I was in the runs you folks were complaining about being bored in.

Dungeons, constantly healing outside boss fights. Tanks not using mitigation. DPS get hitting by random trash due to unwilling to move (BLM), unable to move (DRG animation lock), or the worse offender WANTING to get hit (SAM for Kenki).

Alliance Raids outside CT or Void Ark? Always some folks either first timers or "lagging" (usually in Nier raids) and having to keep them up along with the tank, but still at least have a bit of time to DPS.

Trials? Hit and miss. Later trials, especially Titania and Hydaelyn? Healing my ass off with people taking splash damage.

Normal Raids? Usually OK, except P3. I ask for a 10 second wait to get a drink because I know even as AST I'm going to go ballastic healing people from all the 'avoidable' damage they just ignore and tanks going down harder than DRK's in high end dungeons once they're OOM and no more TBN's.

I guess I just got crap luck compared to the rest of the forum

Nah forum is just biased I have same experiences buddy. It's why I love healing is less complex.

[Rilifane]

That's because they are, lmao

As much as the forums would lead you to believe otherwise, most healer (and tank, and dps) mains care more about the fantasy then the gameplay. They chronically overheal without putting much thought into it and sometimes do reasonably competent damage.

Even if you look at the forums, you get so many contradictory ideas on what healer mains want that it's impossible to actually listen to them.

To be perfectly honest, no other role in the game is less unified on what they want it to be.

It's frustrating that they don't make healers any better, but it makes sense that they don't listen to the forums when they clearly have no idea what they want.

Okay, so what if I only cared about the fantasy of tanks?
I don't want any of those combos, too complicated. No dps buffs either, too complicated and I'm only here for the tank fantasy. Tanks should tank!
So what I want now is that we only have lots of the mitigation tools we have now and one spammable melee attack and..hmm.. how about it has a combo step 2 but with a 25s cooldown?
But I'm a tank so I don't really want to use that, instead I also want a spammable block that blocks 5% incoming damage on the GCD.
Because I only care about the fantasy, I want to be a tanky tank that tanks. And I want the entire role to be designed that it enforces this playstyle on everyone. No, people who want to be more engaged on tank don't get their 123 combo and damageing oGCDs and burst windows back. They can't have their fun while I have my fun, I want everyone to have my fun.

This is what "don't give healers more deeps buttons because that Sylphie over there might get offeneded" boils down to.
Tanks would grab their torches, pitchforks and riot and rightfully so and as someone who has listed WAR as their main, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate getting treated that way.
You can satisfy both crowds at the same time but they don't want to. Sylphies get their fun 99% of the time, the rest just has to do Ultimate.

[Allegor]

And we have went over this time and time again. Adding more interesting gameplay / dps options literally affect the zero dps crowd in zero ways. They're still going to be heal bots who don't push damage buttons.

Meanwhile, the other healers who find enjoyment in other ways can.

There can and should be a middle ground because no other job is subjected to the playstyle that we are. If they were, they would riot.

*stares at SMN* point proven

[glamazon]

Can we all please just push that one thread w sarixis videos highlighting clear concrete and economical changes the team could make today? I could live w those changes happily even if they aren’t all perfect l. I need better not perfect.