"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Aword3213]

The tank, however by demanding everyone to conform to his/her own selfishness, and decide to "teach anyone who not obey a lesson by letting them die" is strictly an ego issue, which as a reminder, the whole point of the OP.

It's funny how you quicky assume the mentaility of tank who refused to take over aggro for those who decides to pull without tank on their own volition.

If you wish to continue this discussion in such manner, then I can also say that those who pull without tank are trying to teach the tank a lesson of how tanks should be played. it fits your Ego 101 to me

Maybe you're actually talking about the situation the OP was in instead of general tanks? Then in that case, both sides are being rude to each other. That tank could have handled it better by asking to stop pulling after taking over aggro. The puller should have asked if the tank is okay with it

- When I tank, do I take issue with other people pulling ahead of me? A big fat NO.

The thing I always wall to wall and run ahead the party anyway, the other members can't pull for me even if they try. In almost a decade playing this game, that had happened probably a handful of time that I can remember. And each time I just grab the mobs off them and move, no problemnemo ... not like tanking in this game is hard.

So un-suprisingly, I rarely, if ever has reason to be frustrated at my party behavior. On the other hand, if someone run into issues so often that it 'cause them to swear it off (like the other poster I replied to above) then I think a moment of self-reflection is warranted. And again, ego tend to get in the way of doing that.

If you constantly have a problem with the universe, then the problem is not the universe, it's you. That's pretty much EGO 101.

I'm just goint to assume you're not acutally talking about me being that tank.

When I tank, I wall to wall pull every single time. However, that doesn't mean I don't understand the sentiment of those who do not wish to do wall to wall pulls.

[Raven2014]

It's funny how you quicky assume the mentaility of tank ...

There is no assumption, any tank who says "if the DPS pull I gonna let them die to teach them a lesson" is a clear ego-centrist statement, and that's the specific scenario the OP is talking about, which is exactly the specific point I'm also talking about.

You're trying to reach and shift it to something else entirely. As someone who play on 4 characters I run into sprout a lot and I have no problem with them pulling 1 pack at a time. We're talking about adult specifically here and you're trying the "but think about the children too!". Well, I'm not talking about the children. This is not the "let's beat the dead horse" discussion about what is the right way to tank.

I'm just goint to assume you're not acutally talking about me being that tank.

And you're assuming correctly. I response very clearly to another poster, and I'm also talking about myself, I most definitely not talking about you.

You simply tagging along and I'm just entertaining you however my point does not shift from the original, but you seem trying to drag it through a whole unrelated range.

[Aword3213]

There is no assumption, any tank who says "if the DPS pull I gonna let them die to teach them a lesson" is a clear ego-centrist statement, and that's the specific scenario the OP is talking about, which is exactly the specific point I'm also talking about.

nope you weren't. My first reply towards you is you replying to Darthgummibear, who, with my humble understanding, is not OP

DPS and healers pulling that crap is why I stopped pug tanking a LONG time ago.

You're trying to reach and shift it to something else entirely.

Says the person who shift my reply towards that specific situation happenned to op

We're talking about adult specifically here .

no, you were not. Please look back on your own reply. Thanks

You simply tagging along and I'm just entertaining you however my point does not shift from the original, but you seem trying to drag it through a whole unrelated range.

Your effort isn't for naught. It's pretty entertaining. However, be mindful that you're the one that trying to drag my reply towards you to a whole unrelated range, that being the specific "adults" you mentioned.

While they are both about self, there is no issue with the former if it conform to the will of the majority.

I believe the answer you get from the question "who should pull" will mostly be "tanks", which fits the "majority" in your description. So...yeah...that Ego 101 for ya

[RobynDaBank]

It's funny how you quicky assume the mentaility of tank who refused to take over aggro for those who decides to pull without tank on their own volition.

IDK, I have no horse in this discussion, but today I had a Dead Ends where I admit, I as the healer was sprinting a little ahead of the tank, and at the packs before the last boss the tank turned off his stance and let me die. I've never met a tank with the "you pull you tank" mentality until today, so it's a bit anecdotal. But it happens.

[Aword3213]

IDK, I have no horse in this discussion, but today I had a Dead Ends where I admit, I as the healer was sprinting a little ahead of the tank, and at the packs before the last boss the tank turned off his stance and let me die. I've never met a tank with the "you pull you tank" mentality until today, so it's a bit anecdotal. But it happens.

"You pull you tank" mentaility has diverse opnions in this thread. Some of the people here are not of "teaching you a lesson" mentaility, of which is specified by Raven2014

Not saying "You pull you tank" mentaility doesn't exist. My reply was only about the Ego, as Raven2014 called it, behind it


Here's my anedoctal story. 3 months ago I was aiming for Warrior tank achievement. The Leveling Roulette got me into Amaurot. I died during the big pull before the first boss despite every defensive cooldown I have had been used, including Arm's Length. I assume the healer was inexperienced, so I took it slow. The pulls after the first boss was still big because the dps and the healer were aggroing adds for me. I died again. Later, I asked them not to pull. No repsond. They kept pulling without me. The healer used Resue on me, uging me to do big pulls again. I obliged. We died. After respawning, I refuse to take aggro for them again. The healer used Recue on me AGAIN, pulling me to the horde they gathered. I ran back to the small group of ememies I pulled myself. They died, of course. I lived. I got kicked

Guess what their, aka non tank puller, mentality were.

[Zfz]

I believe "you pull you tank" originated from more classical (which wasn't that long ago) holy trinity games with harsher encounter requirements, such as enmity ("aggro") management, crowd control, random patrols, etc., where the actual method and techniques used to pull a pack of mobs actually mattered.

You needed to pull without alerting patrols, you needed to pull towards a place where the next patrol will not jump into combat, you needed to establish aggro in a designated order so that crowd controls can be executed (and executed such the the cc'ed mobs aren't going to aggro more patrolling mobs), and you needed to kill the mobs in an order dictated by the characteristics of the various crowd control abilities used by your party, which then would dictate the order of targets on which the tank must "work" on building enmity/threat because of the harsh threat balancing allowing competent DPS players to easily over-taunt a mob.

While FFXIV:ARR also started with those elements, justiying to a good degree the mentality of "you pull you tank" initially; those elements have been steadily removed one after another, and now it doesn't actually matter who pulls, simply because in the current content of FFXIV, there are no more patrols, there are no more places where crowd control provide any benefit, tanks no longer need to work to build enmity, and everything is an AOE-fest anyways.

So the "you pull you tank" mentality no longer has any practical applicability. It is now, for FFXIV at least, purely a question of etiquette and manners, which we all know can differ greatly depending on culture, gaming history, age, or even the mood of the player at that exact point of time.

[Darthgummibear]

On behalf of the pug community, allow me to thank you for stop tanking for us.

Seriously, the less ego centrist players I run into, the better. So if you have that mentality, you're doing god work by just sticking to your niche.

Ego has nothing to do with it. It just made tanking an uncomfortable and miserable experience. People who actually support this behavior shouldn't be surprised there aren't more tanks.

[Padudu]

Ego has nothing to do with it. It just made tanking an uncomfortable and miserable experience. People who actually support this behavior shouldn't be surprised there aren't more tanks.

Dude if that's how you feel tanking isn't for you lol full stop

Idk if I "support" it because I don't try to stop it/deal with it, but if thats why tanking is miserable idk what to say some of you need to learn to take it easy

[Darthgummibear]

Dude if that's how you feel tanking isn't for you lol full stop

Idk if I "support" it because I don't try to stop it/deal with it, but if thats why tanking is miserable idk what to say some of you need to learn to take it easy

I don't tank anymore, that was the whole point. It simply wasn't worth it.

If dps/healer are pulling mobs you're going too slow as a tank

This is an absolute garbage mentality.

[BigHoffie]

I don't tank anymore, that was the whole point. It simply wasn't worth it.



This is an absolute garbage mentality.

How does that saying go? Facts don't care about your feelings. Especially if you don't even tank anymore.